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  • #1192709
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    Save the safety tips for a different time, or keep it private.

    No, now is the best time for safety tips. Isolated safety tips are usually ignored.

    While what happened this time is definitely a freak occurrence, the design of this cubby (and many others like it), leads to items falling out.

    #1192710
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    “Individuals perhaps, but not the klal. All such comments directed to the individual had been deleted.”

    I’m very happy to hear that comments to the individual were deleted (thank you very much for your sensitivity to the individual who is going through a hard enough time as it is), but I think there were some that were overlooked

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    #1192711
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    In addition to the sensitivity to the individual, my other concern was that the negative comments may cause others to look down on Am Yisrael (here, we are careless with Tefillin and then cause all this money to be wasted).

    We have to be careful about we post online and think about how it may sound to others and what the repurcussions can be. Imho, that is a much more important lesson than being careful with Tefillin and will lead to much more yeshuas for Am Yisrael.

    #1192713
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Individuals perhaps, but not the klal. All such comments directed to the individual had been deleted.

    It may not be obvious to you, but it is obvious to some of us that the individual was (even if unintentionally) being targeted.

    In your opinion. Which is my point. And the need to keep singling out the comments and commentor based on opinions of some, but not all, is probably more potentially L’H which is the very reason why I keep deleting it and trying to curtail this conversation.

    #1192714
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    Bottom line – it was a very positive story with a very positive message, and let’s try to see the positive in it and not the negative! A whole community was willing to go to such lengths and spend so much money for the sake of a piece of parchment only because it signifies our relationship with HaKadosh Baruch Hu!

    “Mi k’amcha Yisrael!” Let’s not turn this beautiful story into an excuse to speak badly about Am Yisrael – either individuals or the klal!

    #1192715
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    No, now is the best time for safety tips. Isolated safety tips are usually ignored.

    I understand that it may be more effective, but I still think it’s in poor taste (particularly in the other cases of tragedy).

    the design of this cubby (and many others like it), leads to items falling out.

    Had the comments been to the design of the cubbies, it wouldn’t have bothered me as much.

    #1192716
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    DY- maskim to both your points.

    Regarding the first point, I think it has to do with the Torah perspective on hishtadlus. As believing Jews, we believe that everything comes from Hashem. Hishtadlus is something we have to do because Hashem wants us to, but not because the hishtadlus is what makes things happen (see Mesilas Yesharim, Chovos Halevavos and all other mussar sefarim).

    Since everything comes from Hashem, and hishtadlus is just something that we do because Hashem wants us to, it is logical to assume that hishtadlus that is against the Torah will not “help” us any (see chovos halevavos). Hishtadlus that involves insensitivity to others will not accomplish anything.

    #1192717
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    Also, part of having bitachon in Hashem means not second-guessing ourselves, and recognizing that everything, including the results of our actions comes from Hashem. If someone’s Tefillin gets lost (certainly in a case like this where he didn’t do anything that would have been considered a problem halachically – he put his Tefillin in the same place that everyone does and that is considered the normal place to put Tefillin), one must believe that it was from Hashem and not feel guilty about it.

    I think that is one the hardest nisyonos. I know it’s something I find very difficult. I am continually second-guessing myself and thinking that thing a) must have happened because of a certain wrong decision I made, etc.

    But a believing Jew is not allowed to think like that. We have to remind ourselves that everything comes from Hashem, and even if we made poor decisions, they don’t cause bad things to happen to us- everything comes from Hashem and is for our good, period!!!

    #1192719
    Person1
    Member

    “The Zchus should be that people are more careful and learn to properly treat their tfillin”.

    On first thought, people don’t needs reminder to be careful of their tfillin. They are careful as it is. It’s just that because you have to carry them around it’s hard never to misplace them.

    But on second thought, there’s some logic here. People don’t usually lose stuff that costs 100000$ to retrieve (or rather they never do). So if that happens, there’s clearly a gap between how the halacha “feels” about sth and how we feel about it.

    #1192720
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    Person1 – you can lose anything! There have been people who have lost their kids, r”l, and they were not to blame. And kids are incomparably more valuable than Tefilin (I don’t even like saying that sentence because the value of a child should not be compared to the value of Tefillin even to say it’s incomparable!).

    You can’t blame people for everything that happens! We do our hishtadlus, and whatever happens is from Hashem. Period!

    Yes, things happen. We are humans, not Hashem, and we are not in control.

    And people do lose valuable things. People are always losing their engagement rings.

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