What Happened With Ezras Nashim In Boro Park On Monday Night?

Ubiq -“This EXACT question has been posed to you dozens of times.”

Aren’t you glad that you found out about 1 of my 3 degrees & it didn’t cost you a penny?!?

“It’s cute that you demand honesty of others when you keep repeating this obviously bogus claim (aside from many other lies you’ve been caught in including in this thread that demonstrates it isn’t just me who sees through you)”

Why do you keep calling me a liar?
Is it because you can’t find my SCOTUS case?
I offered to give it to you for 2 million – so how can you say I’m lying?
The truth is – I had a case, but since you proved to be a pain to me, for years, I refuse to give it to you for free!!!

And if i may back up my theory with something that Health personally said…..
theyeshiva world.com/coffeeroom/topic/what-would-you-do-7/#post-1205042
(since it seems the cr has changed a bit while i was gone, in that we can no longer provide a link to a specific post, just the thread. so for anyone who wants to check out what i was referring to (and that includes you Health:) ) perhaps this might work: i added a space into the url and perhaps the mod(s) will allow you to copy and paste the provided link into your url bar and just manually delete the space left between “yeshiva” and “world” for the link to work, you might have to wait a few seconds for the screen to jump to that post)

Second half of his step three in the post.
the glaring “<en>lack</en> of omission” leads me to believe….;)

🙂 Bump 🙂

P.S. its fun to be back:)
But why <en>was </en> the ability to link to a specific post removed?

And as this conversation has taken it’s predictable turn and is now devolving …..I will bow to Mishlei’s wisdom. Perek 26 pasuk 4.

“Aren’t you glad that you found out about 1 of my 3 degrees”

Lol!

“Why do you keep calling me a liar? Is it because you can’t find my SCOTUS case?”

Yes, it is also because you pretent a paramedic degree is a “medical degree” (see above), then there was the time you made up triage guidelines, among others. But I’m not so in the mood for now, so I’ll leave it at that

CAD -“and ive established (for myself at least) that your grasp of critical care is junior grade”

LOL – All ACLS & ATLS is just memorization! Tell me – when do you treat Bronchitis with antibiotics?

Tell me – when do you treat Bronchitis with antibiotics?

Oy……amateur hour. A real giveaway of your internet doctor status. My baser temptation would be to thoroughly embarrass you, with a query that isn’t Google-able, and would lay bare your ridiculousness, but I’m not. Simply because….sometimes you avoid doing things because it lessens you personally. So I am choosing not to lessen myself.

Oh, and PS: short and sweet answer…..you dont.
And long answer……meh….you wouldn’t understand and would bore the audience to tears.

PPS: Chag Sameach/moed tov. I’m done with this subject.

klugeryid,

So let’s just sum up this thread

Seems like a turf war between Hatzola and Ezras Nashim.

In my family, when we have called for EMS/ambulance service, we knew that going to the hospital ER was likely needed, and that time could be crucial, making driving ourselves potentially dangerous. When we’ve not been sure whether an ER or urgent care visit is needed or not and time is not yet of the essence, we first try to call our doctor to get advice. They have an after-hours answering service that pages a doctor on call – they state to hang up and call 911 if it’s a medical emergency. From what I understand, Ezras Nashim dispatches EMTs, but they don’t provide transport to the hospital, so I have a hard time ascertaining for what situations they intend to provide service. If it is simply to guarantee a frum female presence on the first responding medical team during an emergency, then they should instruct patients to call 911 or Hatzola first, to avoid any delay in transport. If the purpose is more geared towards determining whether something can be managed at home or not, maybe that should be clarified, and instructions to call 911 or Hatzola in the event of a medical emergency should be stated?

Avram -“From what I understand, Ezras Nashim dispatches EMTs, but they don’t provide transport to the hospital, so I have a hard time ascertaining for what situations they intend to provide service. If it is simply to guarantee a frum female presence on the first responding medical team during an emergency, then they should instruct patients to call 911 or Hatzola first, to avoid any delay in transport.”

I’m Not a member of EN, no matter what the posters say. The purpose of EN is to provide a female presence in the case of childbirth. Most cases of childbirth are not life threatening, No matter how the posters demand that they are. So the creation of EN makes sense. If emergency transportation is needed – EN will call EMS. That’s because Hatzola refused to work with them!

Ky -“We have a lady (health) who”

I’m Not gonna read the rest of your lies, but I told you many times – I’m not a lady but a male!
So I guess that you’re not that smart – that you can’t remember simple things.

Oh and by the way I am not a member of Hatzola, nor a medical professional either.
But I am defending Hatzola
So your claim that only someone in Hatzola would defend them sorta falls flat.
Should we extend your ”logic??” to say only someone who cannot get onto Hatzola would bash them?
Just wondering.

From Medscape:

HAHAHAHA That says it all!!! Perhaps you should refer to a non-consumer oriented medical journal such as Chest….. or the AAP guidelines….or the ACCP guidelines!!!! HAHAHAHA Medscape!!! You crack me up Now you’ve proven you’re a total fraud. A cut and paste web doctor!!! You go ahead and follow “medscape” for your prescribing guidelines…… Hahahaha!!!!! And get a good lawyer while youre at it….youre gonna need one!!! Medscape…….that is teriffic!!!! LOL!!!! And the best part is…….you’ve embarrassed yourself!! I didn’t even have to participate. LOL hahah….. Guy can barely understand an ABG and uses Medscape as a clinical resource….. Hey, how about using Goop (Gwenyth Paltrow’s demented health site) as a clinical resource……..

Hey, since we’re trading medical questions, how about this: what’s the lowest occurring off label use for Albuterol? I’ll give you a hint…..the answer is probably somewhere online. Hahahahah But I’d actually be impressed at your Googling skills if you find it.

Medscape……..sigh…….

Health
I am not actually ”defending ” Hatzola. But only because I have not heard any actual complaint. So there is nothing to defend them about or against.
What I am doing is standing up to a disgusting online bully who is besmirching their name without giving any reason for doing so.
As I actually did post.
I have unfortunately used them many times and every time their service was a1
So put up or shut up

2scents: both very good answers, but there is one more thats very off label. I’ll wait to see what Health comes up with… tee hee…

I am still waiting for you to show me where you told me that you are a man.
I’ll take your word for it now that you said it. But your claim that you told me many times before is plain odd, as I searched and it ain’t anywhere that I could find.
And BTW, I never claimed you are not a medical professional.
I wouldn’t do such a thing as I have no basis to say that.
Nor is it important.
Your posts are so ridiculous it would make you look worse if you are a medical professional.

CAD -“.. or the AAP guidelines….or the ACCP guidelines!!!! HAHAHAHA Medscape!!! You crack me up Now you’ve proven you’re a total fraud. A cut and paste web doctor!!! You go ahead and follow “medscape” for your prescribing guidelines…… Hahahaha!!!!! And get a good lawyer while youre at it….youre gonna need one!!! Medscape…….that is teriffic!!!!”

I really don’t know if you practice medicine or once did. But if you do, it shows your incompetence!
The reason I used Medscape, instead of the others, is because they are basing their site on the UK guidelines for Acute Bronchitis, which is current practice. The others are not current.

Not sure why my post was removed, (had to be visible for some time as CAD responded to it).

Yet I find it weird that one who practices medicine would not know the off label uses for albuterol, its pretty common stuff.

I would think that terbutaline would be given as a tocolytic instead of albuterol.

Health, let’s bring the entire conversation leading up to that pull quote you provided just now

CAD – “Having participated in almost every aspect of pre-hospital care, public, private, and volunteer, I can safely say the rate of incompetence amongst all agencies is pretty constant”
(health responds)
This I agree with. But other agencies have options that deal with incompetence. They have supervisors and lawsuits. Try suing H & keeping your kids into Frum schools!
But other agencies have options that deal with incompetence”

(CAD responds)
So does Hatzolah. From remediation classes , to practice under observation, to restriction of privileges, to suspension, to termination. Its all there, much like every other BLS/ALS organization. Does it catch everyone? No, but neither does the 911 system’s QA/QI. Incompetence falls through the cracks sometimes, in EVERY organization.

(Health responds)
CAD -“to practice under observation, to restriction of privileges, to suspension, to termination.”

LOL!!! You must be a Hatzola guy. ****The only case of termination that I heard is when an EMT on Hatzola was working with H Medics & and they let the guy die! ****This EMT went to a Godol for a Din Torah. And the Medics & the leadership were opposing him – so they they threw the guy off!
And btw, it wasn’t me – like I posted many times – I never joined them!
End quotes

So basically your denial and counter-argument to someone else’s point consists of your entire rational.
Until that point you would not mention your issues with Hatzola because it would ”involve issurim”
And a reader is supposed to figure out that 200+ comments into a thread is where you will slip in your real issue??
And we should believe that you can run an organization??
Only way you can run it is into the ground.

Oh and BTW to defend this foolishness of yours?
Hey I am not involved so I know no details nor stats, nor have I ever tried to find them out, but I know at least 3 people who have been suspended / under observation by Hatzola for infractions.
I don’t know the details cause it’s none of my business.
But that’s 3 that I heard of WITHOUT EVEN TRYING!!!! so to claim they have no disciplinary procedures is just plain foolishness. Or outright lying. Your choice. I don’t claim to know with any degree of certainty if you are a fool or a pathological liar.

So you got burnt.

Thats what this is all about, you getting burnt from the Frum PC?

CAD -“the correct answer is Proctalgia Fugax, with its one study showing effectiveness of Salbutamol (Albuterol, it’s more common name in the US)”

Stop with your misleading – there is only Anecdotal evidence:
From fpnotebook:
“No proven Management.
Medications with Anecdotal success:
Albuterol MDI
Catapres 0.15 mg bid
Cardizem 80 mg PO bid
Diazepam (Valium) at bedtime

Procedures that have been studied with varying success:
Sacral nerve stimulation
Pudendal Nerve Block

Maneuvers that anecdotally interrupt spasm:
Sit in tub of hot water
Apply ice to peri-anal area
Finger placed inside Rectum
Rectal suppository (e.g. Preparation H)”

Stop with your misleading

Further proving your Internet Doctor status….. and the perils of following distilled medical websites. You’re not even smart enough to follow up on direct sources. Like a 5th grade bochur who thinks he knows Shas because he learned one seif choshen mishpat. From an artscroll. And trolls e-daf to cut and paste responses that he doesnt understand thus reinforcing his amateur status. And as you love to say…..Stop with your lying, you are not a practitioner of anything. You’re a mediocre medic with an enormous Napoleon complex because you went to nursing school and maybe got some certification within nursing. Maybe CCRN or CEN. Which are not additional “degrees”. I feel bad for your patientz a d coworkers, they have no idea of what a nudnick poser they’ve trusted with their care.

PS: Do some more research. I’ll even give you a hint. Try The Lancet where the (non anecdotal) randomized controlled trial was published, or NCBI, or PubMed. I’ll bet You didn’t even know what the disorder was till you googled it. Laughable.

I think my day will be much more entertaing if I adopt Healths demeanor

Stop your lying, you couldn’t treat a paper cut.

ky -“You know, had you come right out at the beginning and said that, you probably would have garnered sympathy from many readers, and perhaps someone could have been motivated to try to help you.”

I’m not interested in anyone’s help. I already posted why I came to this topic. I came to warn people – I know that in most cases – I won’t be believed. Most calls are not life-threating & the one’s that are – you don’t need EMS per se. Nowadays they have Automatic Defibs in shopping malls. They save lives. When s/o calls for EMS, they expect minumum care.
I hardly seen them work, but in three cases I’ve seen, amongst other cases, they convinced the caller – no transport was needed. One of the cases ended up with a death.
Btw, do you think I kept quiet about my family’s member’s death?

ky -“May hashem send you much simcha and bracha in your life together with the rest of כלל ישראל.”

Thanks.
The biggest problem with these orgs. like Hatzola & EN, are the fact that they are volunteer.
S/o who does this part time can’t be as good as a paid professional.
I’m waiting for all the responses from the Know It Alls!

S/o who does this part time can’t be as good as a paid professional.

What I think health is saying (and I agree) is that most Hatzola members don’t have nearly the same experience as someone who works professional ems full time. The same would be true of anything. Someone who does construction as a lparnassa is going to be better at it than someone who does DIY projects on weekends.

I think this argument is wrong.
The reason a ”professional ” would be better is not because he is getting paid. One does not make one more knowledgeable nor more experienced
Since hatzolah’s response time is based on having so many members, and since I have never heard anyone claim that calls go unanswered, there would be no difference in the amount of calls taken And therefore no difference in experience.
So the only difference would be, are they eating donuts between calls or doing something productive.
If you can make a logical case that being paid to eat donuts makes a better emt, I would love to hear it.
Until that case is made though, I think that logically speaking, someone who is giving up their time is probably much more dedicated and motivated, than someone who is doing it for the money.
Anyone in the business world can tell you there are plenty of fully paid workers who do nothing but game the system.
Judge merit-on merit.
Don’t take the selflessness of hatzolah members and use it to knock them down