What Happened With Ezras Nashim In Boro Park On Monday Night?

Health
What’s with you and ”other sn’s”?
I only have one. sorry.
It’s anonymous
Why would I need another one?

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kj – “Call it what you want it’s still ossur”

And being on the internet is even more Osser!
So why are you?!?
Stop with your hypocrisy!

Wow!!!
That’s the smoking gun???
That’s your issue with Hatzola?
There is no issue mentioned there. Just someone (perhaps it’s you. Perhaps someone else) maligning Hatzola in a different setting.
Boy did I waste my time with you.
edited, again. 

By now, its almost universally understood that EN and Hatzalah are two great organizations and each does certain things well. However, they are NOT the same and may never be. For any serious life threatening emergency, call Hatzalah/911 asap…..EN is a good alternative for non-life threatening matters where both the quality of care and reducing stress for the woman in need would be enhanced by having a woman first responder where time may not be as critical and ability to communicate issues with another woman are important to the care provided. Over time, EN may evolve to provide equivalent first-responder capability but is generally not at that point today and its not anti-feminist to acknowledge that reality.

Facts are irrevelant to guys like you!
What does ” irrevelant” mean?

Who do you think you are?!?
Just someone trying to figure out why you would publicly bash Hatzola

Why would I mention them on a public forum?
Firstly, who cares why. You said the facts were spelled out there.
Secondly because it would be common decency to back up your hyperbolic animosity with some sort of facts.

Now start helping your mother or your wife for Pesach
Thanks for the sage advice.
That’s the first sensible thing I have seen from you.

Health: I’m feeling left out. Ain’t he me too??

Sorry Josef
There is only one of you!!!

I’m also feeling left out…..

Remember the time he swore that I’m Joseph…. (centuries ago… many screen names ago…)

I can’t believe this is still going on.

It’s really a simple solution.

There are those who like Ezras Nashim and those who don’t like them. Similarly there are those who like Hatzolah and those who don’t like them. That has been the fact since Day 1 and will never change.

Those who are a part of, or are supporters of, these organizations will remain so regardless of what people post on the internet. And similarly those who hate those organizations will continue to do so regardless of what people post on the internet.

So… why even bother with this stupidity?

Health, we all know your deal. You need to start recognizing that Hatzolah has been around for 50 years and isn’t going to up and disappear because you don’t like them. You’ve been shouting into the wind for years. It must be pretty exhausting by now. You don’t like Hatzolah, we know. Don’t call, don’t donate, don’t sing their praises. But does it ever end with you? Move on. You’ll be a lot “health”ier.

APY – “Only a fool will judge an organization made up of thousands of members based on interaction with a handful”

So would you say the same thing about the Missionaries that go around? I mean maybe X-ianty is right – because most people in the US practice it? This is just an illustration about your Genius Statement!

CAD – “Having participated in almost every aspect of pre-hospital care, public, private, and volunteer, I can safely say the rate of incompetence amongst all agencies is pretty constant”

This I agree with. But other agencies have options that deal with incompetence. They have supervisors and lawsuits. Try suing H & keeping your kids into Frum schools!

Health
“Try suing H & keeping your kids into Frum schools!”

why not sue then in scret supreme court, so nobody can find out about it?

“So would you say the same thing about the Missionaries that go around?

Yes, I would. some are “better” than others. I wouldn’t rate “missionaries” as a group based on the handful of interactions Iv’e had with a missionary.

“I mean maybe X-ianty is right – because most people in the US practice it?

For someone who was not familiar with any religion, that would be a fair statement. However, we know that just because most people believe something it doesnt make it true. Most people in NYC, for example, call 911 in an emergency, not 230-1000, doesnt make them right either.

” This is just an illustration about your Genius Statement!”

Actually, this reflects your foolishness. Your statement about missionaries has nothing to do with your 2nd statement about the majority of people and how they worship. I dont believe you are a foolish person, but in your disdain for hatzala you are grasping at the silliest of “arguments” to try and “prove” your point.

If c’v you are ever faced with a medical emergency, dont call them. It is very simple.

Ubiq -“why not sue then in scret supreme court, so nobody can find out about it?”

From this comment it’s obvious that you never found out about my discrimination lawsuit. I thought
that you were going to ask real lawyers. Or for 2 million – I’d give it to you!
HAPPY SEARCHING!

APY -“Most people in NYC, for example, call 911 in an emergency, not 230-1000, doesnt make them right either.”

And most Frum Yidden, call Hatzola in an emergency, Not 911, doesn’t make them right either!

“only case of termination that I heard….”

And therein lies the problem. You believe that if YOU didn’t hear of it….it must not have happened, or was some sort of cover up. Well, I am personally aware of ramifications to members who were found clinically (or morally) lacking. I think this is simply just a case of “not enough information” on your part. As you’ve said….you were never a member.

CAD – “.it must not have happened,”

That’s your False assumption.

“or was some sort of cover up”

This I believe! Just like I posted in my previous post to you!
Why didn’t they throw the Medics out, instead of the EMT?!?

CAD – “.it must not have happened,”

That’s your False assumption.

There is no false assumption, you’ve staked a claim about an issue that you admit you have no information about other than some case you’ve “heard” about. You aren’t in Hatzolah, and never were (your admission) You are not part of their QA/QI process. You are not in a management position there. You are not on every call. And Hatzolah doesn’t report to you. Yet you feel confident that if YOU didn’t hear about a disciplinary action, there was none. This is very silly. Do you hear of FDNY’s disciplinary proceedings? Are you in the loop of say……Midwood’s terminations? Are you somehow in the know about NYU’s ALS remediation list? How about OLOM’s? Sinai? RPS? Presby? Anyone? I’m going to go out on a limb here and posit that the answer is no. That doesn’t mean its not happening, does it? What Hatzolah offers is at the very least, on par with any EMS system.

ky -“Interesting how you had no response to the main thrust of my post”

Ok – here goes:

“I studied their religion”

WHY – It’s Avodah Zora?!?

“I have a neighbor who practises that religion and we argue religion all the time
Same as above but with a coworker”

Why waste your time discussing Avodah Zora?!?

Other EMS can’t cause death–they don’t show up until that’s impossible!

CAD -“And how would you know this?”

Any problem with any EMS Call becomes News. It’s Not hidden!

“You are welcome to disagree with facts and statistics, but it certainly doesn’t paint you in a rational light”

What doesn’t paint me in a rational light?

“you mean Hatzolah members, but I am not one.”

So why are you defending them? Unless you’re a Wannabe & gonna show them this YWN topic.

“then you have a moral and ethical imperative to report that.”

Who says I didn’t?!?

“Otherwise you are complicit.”

What??? You obviously don’t know American Law.

“if you did, didn’t understand the nature of what was being done.”

LOL. With this line you surely belong in the Chevra!
You’re right – only they know medicine & I don’t.
You’re getting funnier by the minute!

Any problem with any EMS Call becomes News. It’s Not hidden!
A) Wrong. Proof you are not someone in the loop.

What doesn’t paint me in a rational light?
A) bizarrely claiming to know FOR CERTAIN” that Hatzolah has no internal procedures for tracking care, when it CLEARLY does and pretty much HAS to as a condition of being an ALS provider. But you wouldn’t know that as you are generally ignorant of at least pre-hospital medicine.

So why are you defending them? Unless you’re a Wannabe & gonna show them this YWN topic.
A) because I like exposing ignorance and bias when I see it, and YOU are clearly biased.

Who says I didn’t?!?
A) well, you seem to only have a bit of knowledge about some case you’ve “heard” about…And when called to the carpet about anything else, you suddenly recall “first hand knowledge” of other cases where they caused the death of a patient. Well, now that’s just suspicious. And probably not the truth.

What??? You obviously don’t know American Law.

A) I do, and it was meant ethically. As in the subject directly leading to that sentence. Reading comprehension….try it.

LOL. With this line you surely belong in the Chevra!
You’re right – only they know medicine & I don’t.

A) given previous conversations we’ve had, you likely don’t understand critical care or emergency medicine, even if you think you do because you’ve taken ACLS a few times.

You’re getting funnier by the minute!

Thank you, I certainly try. I also expect that browbeating and insults will soon follow on this thread. As is your MO. Now, given the wealth of information you do NOT posess, I feel this is a mismatched battle as you are unarmed. And so I bid you adieu……

Health
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”Ok – here goes:

“I studied their religion”

WHY – It’s Avodah Zora?!?

“I have a neighbor who practises that religion and we argue religion all the time
Same as above but with a coworker”

Why waste your time discussing Avodah Zora?!?” (end quote)

You may or not have a good question there. However try to strain your brain for a moment and remember what the aforementioned lines were written in response to.
Can’t recall?
OK
Let me help you by cutting and pasting your words that I was responding to.
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The ##only ##other way to know about their religion is if you practiced it. DID YOU?!?
Hash tags were now inserted by me
Capital letters are yours.
All clear??
Great let’s proceed
You staked a claim that there was no way to have knowledge of their religion except if I practised it.
I provided you with multiple alternatives. Only one of which is necessary to accomplish the stated aim.
You had no response and I called you on it.
So you respond with a question as to WHY I would do some of those alternatives?????
Who cares!!
They are ways to be aware of the details of a different religion without practising that religion.
Contrary to your stated claim.
Man up and say
”I was wrong ”
It won’t hurt as much as you think

Ky-“Man up and say
”I was wrong ”
It won’t hurt as much as you think”

I just proved that I was right when I posted -“The only other way to know about their religion is if you practiced it.”
So – Man up and say
”I was wrong ”.
It won’t hurt as much as you think!

Health
“Now what degrees to you possess?!?”

This EXACT question has been posed to you dozens of times.
It’s cute that you demand honesty of others when you keep repeating this obviously bogus claim (aside from many other lies you’ve been caught in including in this thread that demonstrates it isn’t just me who sees through you)
Without elaborating at all