What Happened With Ezras Nashim In Boro Park On Monday Night?

I have read all of he recent news about the EN. I don’t know how much of these stories are made up but there is definitely some truth here.
After looking at the EN website and other info about the organization I don’t understand how they can do what they are doing. I can understand having women for basic birth related emergencies but that’s all, for many reasons. Everyone agrees that Hatzolah is faster more professional and has years of experience. Along with the experience is knowing what to do in cases far and beyond what they are trained for. To have a new organization come and try to get experience at the cost of other lives is crazy. They also don’t come close to as many members which will impact response time. Another thing when it comes to response time is the physical aspect men can move faster, drive faster and don’t have tzinius to worry about when they are running (yes women must worry about tznius even on a call.
That’s all for practical reasons. As far as Halacha men can treat women on calls, however this whole thing of women going out on calls is not acceptable for tznius reasons. I also don’t see a single endorsement for going on full time emergencies. The videos from Reb Chaim and Reb Aaron Leib said that its an organization where women help out childbirth that’s it not running on calls of all facets. Reb Yizchok zilberstein and Rav Elya Ber said that if the women are equally as good to deliver care then go with them, however they are not on par with Hatzolah. The letter from Rebbetzin Kalodetsky has nothing to do with EN rather a group of women in Beitar Illit.
Lastly if this organization was kullo lishma it’s one thing, however hearing words like we do all Mens jobs so why can’t we do this as well, which was said on an interview, as well as advertising to drive that you will get a car with lights and sirens doesn’t sound lishma to me.
May we all do things for real causes where there is a need and only bring Hkbh nachas.

NDG -“This was a suggestion by someone arrogantly referring to himself as a health professional. I would guess that you may be an HHA.”

IDK why it’s arrogant to refer myself as a health professional?
I can’t be an HHA, because I don’t know what that is!

“You also apparently have a beef because Hatzolah did not admit you. Which does not in the least seem surprising.”

Stop with your lies, to protect your beloved Hatzolah. I did not say that my beef was that they didn’t admit me. You made that up! As a matter of fact, I wrote I didn’t​ blame them because I wasn’t married at that time.

“You also want to run hatzolah for pay. An organization that has hundreds of people volunteering, but you are soooo good that you would demand pay.”

You get what you pay for!

“Thank you for clearing yup for all of us why:
2) Why you will not tell us what type of health professional you are.”

Because I’m more than one! And it’s not just EMT & paramedic, like Hatzolah guys.

“3) Why you do not practice in the health field.”

Why do I have to explain that to you? Maybe it’s private.
IMHO, people like you either on Hatzolah or worship them!

Health: HHA= Home Health aide.

I am related to a number of Hatzaloh volunteers although I am not a member of Hatzaloh nor do I worship them. However, having knowledge of the training courses they attend and having personal experience over the years with Hatzaloh having answered numerous calls on behalf of my family I am grateful for their existence.

Saichel yashor -“Health: Are your initials RF and happen to be a judge….”

My name is not Judge Frier. And I’m a male and I have nothing to do with Ezras Noshim!

“Most of us don’t worship Hatzoloh rather appreciate the amazing lifesaving work they do and don’t like when other people disturb that work in exchange for people that can hardly put on a band aid.”

Who can’t put on a band-aid – me or EN?
What you don’t understand, is that people need a choice – either Hatzolah, EN or EMS!
It’s funny, how YWN allows topics trashing EN, but I doubt if they would allow anyone to start a thread trashing Hatzolah!

Health,

I have never heard someone speak out against Hatzolah as vehemently as you are.

I’m very inclined to think the problem is you, not them.

Re: Hatzalah member on every block in Boro Park (on average). Should be fairly easy to calculate. How many active members of BP Hatzala are there today (surely such a number exists in their 501c3 filings). How many blocks are there in BP Hatzala coverage area. .

Through all the bickering and silly asides the main poiont has been lost.

Health said it best
“What you don’t understand, is that people need a choice – either Hatzolah, EN or EMS!”
(just that line Im not saying I agree with anything else he has said, but hey kabel es haemes…)

thats the bottom line. should people who (for whatever reason) want EN or not want Hatzalah, whther out of tnius concern, whther they are mad at hatzolah for not lettign them in, whther they tried to sue hatzolah or whatever, Should people have a choice ? (I mentioned this on another thread

Nobody is suggesting everybody must call ENi if you dont want them call hatzaolah if someone does let them.

It’s true that people should have a choice, but they should have a clear picture of what their choices are.

If the stories about EN are true, people should know about them so they can make an informed decision.

Personal attacks? Huh?

And how are you defending EN by bashing Hatzolah?

Talk about a personal attack! I make the Brocha sheloh asani ishah.
Defend EN all you want; just don’t bash Hatzaloh.

dude, if the whole world likes hatzalah besides for you, maybe theyre right?

True, none besides the hatzalah members themselves. Btw you know it isnt a PC thing right? More of an experience slash word of mouth thing. I guess if you claim to be a medical professional and the only one thats unconvinced is you then so be it.

health – I am not sure what type of medical professional you are (podiatrist, dentist…) but it is obvious that you don’t know much about pre-hospital care it is very different than in a controlled environment. There are many times that it is appropriate to stabilize a patient before you move them. I am not sure about this case because like you, I wasn’t there but it is very plausible to think that the Hatzoloh providers on the scene felt they needed to stabilize the patient before moving her. Your arguments are all dripping with your disdain for an organization that is one of the biggest volunteer ambulance companies in the country. You have not written anything of substance you discredit any validity to your opinion by so blatantly spewing your vitriol. Because of its size Hatzoloh by definition will have some bad apples but it cannot be denied that many lives have been saved because of the dedication and selflessness of its volunteers. I am not here to bash EN but even if this story is not true it is not unrealistic to say this could happen. Any medical decision based on factors other than what is best medically is not Hishtadlus but foolishness. If a person skips over a Hatzoloh member because he is a man and calls someone less medically equipped, with less resources, with less experience, with less access to experienced providers, with no means of transport, just so they can get a woman, they are at best a fool and at worst being Oiver on Lo Samoid Al Dam Reiecha or depending on the outcome Retzicha. To create an organization that lends itself to that kind of Aveira is an Avlah. I hope the story is false but to call 911 is pure Rishus, when you have people that are as trained and more dedicated because they feel an Achrayus to their brother or sister within 2-3 minutes.
Just to reiterate if you are a doctor you can not compare pre-hospital care to definitive care and you really can not even have an educated opinion about what should have been done on the scene, especially one you were not on.

Ahron -“You have not written anything of substance you discredit any validity to your opinion by so blatantly spewing your vitriol.”

Because I’m not like you and the naive Jews, that worship Hatzolah. Every perceived problem like with EN, they post on the internet.
I don’t know anything about EN, but I do know about Hatzolah! I like their videos that’s make believe.
Oh btw, I went to many Rabbonim about Hatzolah, but so far they have done nothing!

Ahron -“NY Hatzoloh responds to over 70,000 calls a year and is equipped to treat all kinds of medical emergencies. They are governed by state protocols as are all NY ems systems.”

That’s nice! A lot of people like to play Russian Roulette. How many of those 70 grand are real emergencies?
I admit they do save lives. Nowadays they train laymen to use AED’s, it doesn’t mean they are medical professionals when they regain a pulse.

“Some providers are good and a minority of them are bad.”
Change that to – most providers are bad and a minority are Ok!

“You have admitted that you were not accepted to Hatzoloh how can you be unbiased?”

Stop with your lying! I wrote – I didn’t blame them for not accepting me, because I was single at that time! I’m against them because of their lousey care.

Health: If you look at my posts in this thread I never once wrote anything against EN! All I have done was try to defend Hatzaloh against your biased opinions.

You wrote: That I say everyday! That isn’t an attack on women. There are a lot of P’shatim. Get yourself​ a Frum education!

Where in the world did I say that making the brocho Sheloh asani ishah is an attack on woman? You stated in post 1294219 “The two of you sound like some women”. I was directly replying that I am a man, not a woman, so and therefore say the brocho sheloh asani ishah. And I have a pretty good frum education as well as a secular one.

I know it’s been a while since someone last commented on this thread, but I feel I must set the record straight about NYC EMS and hatzolah. (I work 911, not hatzolah). To start: @health you obviously have no knowledge of how the dispatch system works of either hatzolah or the 911 system. The 911 system has something called call takers (who answer the phone, take the info) and input that info onto the call board. The dispatcher from there dispatches the units as needed. Hatzolah has two EMTs who are both trained (yes in house, however still trained to some degree in both call taking and dispatching.
Second @health according to your statement that most of hatzolah are lousy you by default are saying the 911 system is lousy too. I have plenty of friends who work 911 and volunteer in hatzolah.
What kind of HCP are you? CNA, PCT, LPN? Clean up at the tear entrance!

Is it a sport among medical “professionals” to bash any and all other medical “professionals”? If I bash every lawyer and jurist in my path, can I fool people into thinking that I’m a Supreme Court Justice?

Yes, your honor.

Besides all you fall back on is they are not EMDs but then you say you have no clue how the dispatch works. All you are doing is bashing hatzolah.
If you want some real reasons to bash there are plenty but be honest.

I’m pretty sure even if a dermatologist would show up on scene of a major trauma incident he/she can demand control of the scene. Denying any MD/DO authority of a scene is a quick way to have your certification revoked.
I don’t know what the law is regarding other healthcare professionals (PA,NP,DPM, etc)

Bk613- actually that statement is false. According to the protocol you have to call telemetry (medical control) with that doctors name and license number if they give permission then he can stay otherwise you tell him to kindly leave the scene.
Remember EMTs and paramedics are used to improvising with the equipment we have. Most doctors are used to having more equipment available, and it being in a controlled environment.

EMS911 -“Health- you realize what you are saying doesn’t make sense. According to you EMDs are what’s needed, but they have no medical knowledge to tell a person what to do before EMS arrive. Basically EMDs are glorified telemarketers.”

LOL. I’m sorry your post cracks me up. You claim to be an EMT, so crack open your book – it explains what an EMD is!

PosterGirl -“Health, I bet you just looked up EMD on Wikipedia”

LOL. I’m actually a multi-pronged medical professional!
I started being in the medical profession in the 80’s – hence my SN – Health.

2scents -“Any other credentials other than your user name?”

LOL. Why are you on the net?
Go back to try on working on Hatzolah in Monsey.
There were a lot of comments on that Editorial.
If you want my help – it will cost a pretty penny!