What Happened With Ezras Nashim In Boro Park On Monday Night?

My insight is not to believe a word, especially since at the end, the person admits to holding a gripe against EN.

Btw, their numbers are very similar.
One is 718-232-1300
One is 718-230-1000

Honestly, how many of us know which is which without looking it up?

Also, newsflash, 10 minutes is NOT a long time.

It is for someone having a heart attack.

get over your cuddled NYC ways

Really? So people in NYC should die in order not to be coddled?

Unfortunately the story is very true. not because of the many photos of the scene that clearly show the EN van, but because of the many members that were on this call.

EN clearly cannot be held liable from a legal standpoint, they have a protocol and they followed it. its not their fault that the patients family member did not call Hatzalah. But there are major issues with their behavior last night.

They put their protocol or agenda before patient care. its an undisputed fact that Hatzalah had resources that are adequately equipped and experienced just down the block from this address and can be at the patients side within one or two minutes. yet they clearly ignored this very important fact which possibly resulted in the negative outcome.

Is their agenda against Hatzalah that big that they place it before a human life??

Second, from what the people on scene are saying, the two EN responders were not administering CPR they were just standing there shocked not knowing what to do. all of this when there were EMTs and Paramedics within very close proximity.

If not for EN, the family would have clearly called Hatzalah, in fact I doubt that any person would care which service responds for their loved one when they are in cardiac arrest, they would clearly chose the one that is not only closer and faster, but much more trained and heavily equipped to deal with critical patients and deal with these types of emergencies on a regular basis. No doubt that the caller clearly made a mistake. EN dispatcher and responders clearly knew that they were called in error as they are never called for a nature of such, yet they still followed protocol.

To the poster that said that ten minutes is not a long time.

The fact that outside of the city it takes 30 minutes for EMS to arrive, does not mean that this patient needs to get this substandard ETA.

It takes much less than ten minutes for a patient that went into cardiac arrest to be beyond the point of resuscitation. even two minutes is to long.

Hatzalah is known for its very short response time, this was clearly a nature in which not only minutes can change the outcome of this patient its the seconds that matter.

Todays standard of care is to have pit crew non-stop CPR, you need a full crew and you need it early for successful resuscitation.

Yes, people die even with short response times, long response times just makes sure they do not even have a chance. This is one of the perils people living outside of larger cities have to deal with.

More important that everyone should know CPR. If the husband could have begun (even substandard care), there may have been a chance…

Definitely leaning towards #fakenews, this story isn’t anywhere else on the internet, the details are a little sketchy, the the author admits to being biased.

If not for Hatzolah not allowing these women to join their organization, there would be no need for Ezras Nashim.

And if not for Hatzolah not allowing goyim to join their organization, there would be no need for EMS?

Update
My sources tell me it’s unfortunately true.
As others have pointed out, the group can’t be held accountable legally. They follow the protocol. The problem is, the protocol isn’t good for this community. They must be held accountable. This isn’t a joke, this isn’t an experiment.

They have blood on their hands.

Thank you Joseph for confirming that women aren’t Jewish.

Hmmmm
Is there a reason why the name of the nifter cannot be mentioned on this post?

Besides privacy issues, no permission and no real valid reason why it should be mentioned?

Btw, their numbers are very similar.
One is 718-232-1300
One is 718-230-1000

Will you blame the Brooklyn Public Library system too? Their number is, 718-230-2100

Avram, in the frum neighborhoods of Brooklyn, Hatzalah often arrives in about a minute. This is very possible because there are Hatzalah members distributed within a block of most frum families.

Neville ChaimBerlin,

Also, newsflash, 10 minutes is NOT a long time.

It certainly is in a case of cardiac arrest. I think because of that dispatchers try to walk the caller through starting CPR while waiting for the first responders to arrive.

People outside the city wait over 30 minutes; get over your cuddled NYC ways.

Huh? I live outside of NYC, and have never experienced a wait time longer than 5 minutes.

And, you write about someone leaving their wedding for an emergency call like it’s a bad thing? Waste of forum space.

Hmm. Leaving a wedding, getting into ambulance, driving to a location who knows how far away, all in 10 minutes. That seems pretty impressive now that I think about it.

Joseph,

Avram, in the frum neighborhoods of Brooklyn, Hatzalah often arrives in about a minute. This is very possible because there are Hatzalah members distributed within a block of most frum families.

Thank you. In that case, I’ll posit that “under a minute” was perhaps counted from the end of the call (i.e., the ambulance was dispatched while the dispatcher was still on the phone). In that case, it still does not make sense to ask why Ezras Noshim did not call Hatzola, because they would have seen that the man was on the phone with them already. I’m perceiving that this unfortunate event is being used as fodder in a “conflict” between Hatzola and Ezras Noshim?

Hatzalah’s call center dispatches the call before hanging up, usually within seconds of getting the address.

Kotlorism -“Question 1: Why did it take 10 minutes for ezras Nushim to arrive? Etc…”

Why do you make an assumption & ask it in the CR?
If it’s true, ask the leadership of EN, not the CR! I smell an agenda!
I personally think that EN should offer an alternative option for EMS, and Not rely on calling EMS or Hatzolah or private ambulance companies!
Btw, I’m willing to take on running them.

Emergency medical care is traditionally a womens’ job. It’s only recently that males started taking over some of the responsibilities of the midwife.

From the EN website.

“The motivation behind Ezras Nashim was to respond to Emergency labor and OB/GYN emergencies; however, to serve the needs of the community, we are also responding to pediatric, adolescent and geriatric emergencies. We also provide follow-up phone calls and visits.”

Ubiq -“Great! theyve been scanning the CR eagerly awaiting someone to finally step up”

But not for free! But not 2 million that I’d charge you for my SCOTUS case.
A normal salary.

Midwives used to do a lot more than what is now called midwifery. In the old days the midwife was called for all kinds of medical emergencies.

Am I wrong to infer from the initial post, that the woman may have been unconscious for way more than 10 minutes?

Maybe EN came and found a cold body and realized there wasn’t much to do. Maybe Hatzala still performed CPR, while EN thought there was no point (I’m not aware of the actual protocol and laws regarding making this determination).

Its so funny how the people that expect everyone to foresee all consequences of their actions could care less about starting controversies.

Being cold is not a criteria for not doing CPR, I cannot post links but you can do a quick google, especially not under the New York State BLS protocols under which EN operate.

The other signs of certain death, take time to set in.

The saying goes, your not dead, until your warm and dead.

In fact, hospitals that were doing the hypothermia protocol for patients in cardiac arrest, had to work up the patient until they were warm, which would take a long time and made the staff go through many code carts.