What Does Modern Yeshivish Mean?

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  • #713425
    addicted
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    Sacrilege-

    Oh. I was thinking along the lines of that you secretly agree with me, but you have to keep up the “image” you made for yourself.

    #713426
    WIY
    Member

    Sacrilege

    “Single Frum female girls?

    Yea, we have more than youd care to admit in common.”

    Oh so does that mean that I have so much in common with every single frum male?

    Everyone has their personality type, their level of frumkeit and their Hashkafos as well as interests and hobbies. There are plenty guys my age and single who I have very little in common with, we have totally different interests. They would love nothing better than to spend a day watching movies or sitting on the beach, for me Id rather read or hear something spiritually inspiring and enlightening, or hear a great piece of music…

    Theres a reason why people are generally good friends with others who are similar to them in interests, Hashkafos…

    #713427
    Sacrilege
    Member

    addicted

    Must be such a secret, even I dont know about it 😉

    #713428
    eclipse
    Member

    (sigh)i wish the labels could be cut altogether.or narrowed down to 3:A.i keep the torah…B.i make up my own leniencies and stringencies as i go along…and lastly:C.i look like i keep EVERYTHING PLUS but the people who live with me might say otherwise except they can’t cuz it’s loshon hora!Abbreviated to:TB=TRUE BLUE(MY LEVUSH MATCHES MY BEHAVIOR-IN A GOOD WAY),OR…CT=CUSTOM TORAH(MADE ESPECIALLY FOR…)

    OR…IAAI=IT’S ALL ABOUT IMAGE.OK?

    TO REVIEW:TB / CT / IAAI.any takers?

    #713429
    addicted
    Participant

    Sacrilege-

    Its always useful to have someone else help you with figuring out what you are really feeling. It’s how shrinks make a living

    #713430
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    I only ascribe to two labels:

    P-

    NP-

    Anyone figure them out?

    #713431
    Sacrilege
    Member

    WIY

    When people find themselves in the same situation they usually can find common ground. Does this mean they have to be best friends? No, but areas they can agree on? Yes.

    #713432
    WIY
    Member

    Sacrilege

    With you I think the only thing we would agree on is that we disagree. Lol.

    All kidding aside, you are right 2 people in the same situation can find common ground. That doesnt mean they will agree on things. For example 2 people can be in a predicament but both will have a different understanding of what happened and why. 2 people can hear the same conversation and walk away with different conclusions.

    #713433
    addicted
    Participant

    WIY-

    Sac happens to be right on this one! We do indeed have a lot in common! 🙂

    #713434
    eclipse
    Member

    if you mean pretty and not pretty shame on you sir(poppa)

    #713435
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    No, I meant Popa and Not Popa.

    #713436
    AinOhdMilvado
    Participant

    Modern Yeshivish = wearing tzitzis out and a black hat… while attending Brooklyn College.

    #713437
    Sacrilege
    Member

    ainohd

    I want one!

    #713438
    myfriend
    Member

    Modern Yeshivish wouldn’t be caught dead wearing tzitzis out.

    #713439
    memo
    Member

    sounds like a well rounded guy….the best of both worlds….wow! very rare…meaning he’s solid frum(wants to wear the black hat) but also has the sense of responsibilty…where do u find them?

    #713440
    eclipse
    Member

    poppa…you tellin the truth??or are you CT?

    #713441
    Helpful
    Member

    In the Beis Medrash.

    #713442
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    CT? (Don’t tell me to google it, I did.)

    http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/calcitonin

    #713443
    eclipse
    Member

    didn’t you see my suggested labels and abbreviations?

    #713445
    eclipse
    Member

    how do i keep tabs on this thread without having to keep scrolling thru old stuff?

    #713446
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    I’m CT. It’s nice, but there is nowhere to look anything up.

    #713447

    so

    why shouldnt he tell you to google it

    he clearly meant Captain Tsubasa

    #713448
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Hey! Don’t tell everyone who I am! Mods are supposed to keep our privacy!

    #713449
    eclipse
    Member

    i posted it this afternoon

    #713454
    bpt
    Participant

    P-

    NP-

    Anyone figure them out?

    Poppa, I was going to go with Possible and Not Possible

    #713455

    if it was you bp who had posted that i would have said

    plastered

    not plastered

    #713456
    bpt
    Participant

    Very good, Mod! I like that!

    #713457
    eclipse
    Member

    problem/no problem.

    plocha(russian)/nyet plocha.

    poor/not poor.

    potbelly/no potbelly.

    parents (supporting)/not (a)parasite.

    patient/not patient.

    perfect/not perfect.

    any right?

    #713458

    Modern Yeshivish is to litvish like what a Tuna Beigel is to chassidish.

    Just my opinion

    #713460
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    These are all good options, but I really did mean “Popa” and “not Popa”.

    Now, potbelly and Popa do have a certain relationship, but this Popa no longer has a potbelly.

    #713461
    phrum
    Member

    Dress British,

    Think Yiddish.

    (But whatever you dom don’t get that backwars!)

    I also liky BP Totty and Yanky55’s definitions. although I’d add to them an appreciation of the keddusha found in varied asspects of HaShem’s broader Creation.

    #713462
    eclipse
    Member

    tuna beigel is the result of a chassidish kid at risk.obviously.but modern yeshivish is EITHER:THE RESULT OF A YESHIVISH KID AT RISK WHO CALMED DOWN AND DECIDED TO REMAIN FRUM JUST NOT EXACTLY LIKE HIS/HER PARENTS OR:THEY WERE RAISED MODERN ORTHODOX AND ARE TOTALLY CONTENT AND UNREBELLIOUS.

    i still maintain strongly that whatever lifestyle you choose…be sincere,honest,and remember not to make up the rules.the labels are irrelevant!

    #713463
    oomis
    Participant

    but modern yeshivish is EITHER:THE RESULT OF A YESHIVISH KID AT RISK WHO CALMED DOWN AND DECIDED TO REMAIN FRUM JUST NOT EXACTLY LIKE HIS/HER PARENTS OR:THEY WERE RAISED MODERN ORTHODOX AND ARE TOTALLY CONTENT AND UNREBELLIOUS.”

    Please don’t type all in caps, it is the equivalent of shouting.

    Modern Yeshivish is a person who is machshiv learning, but also sees and learns about the world around him. He is probably educated, going for a degree in an area in which he expects to make his parnassah, and is dedicated to a Torah life, while at the same time involved in the secular world as well. I believe many of our Meforshim could be thus classified, including Rashi and Rambam, and many Gedolim today are learned in both Torah AND Madah. There is nothing whatsoever OTD about them, they just have a life outside of the Yeshivah, too.

    #713464
    so right
    Member

    Modern Yeshivish is a step down from Yeshivish (but a step up from Modern Orthodox.)

    #713465
    eclipse
    Member

    i don’t know what otd is but i have 100% respect for all jews.i grew up in canada and my classmates were the full spectrum!i hope no offense was taken by anything i wrote because none was meant.(sorry about the caps)

    #713466
    shlomozalman
    Member

    Modern yeshivish is a step up from yeshivish.

    #713467
    Ofcourse
    Member

    so right, re: “Modern Yeshivish is a step down from Yeshivish (but a step up from Modern Orthodox.)” I beg to differ!

    As a Matchmaker on a Shidduch website employing that terminology, I can tell you the clear differentiation.

    Yeshivish: Those who went to Yeshivos for example Torah Temimah, Lakewood, and for girls Bais Yaakov, and similar, who dont want TV or Movies, and other items of secular origin/outside influence.

    Modern Yeshivish: Those who went to Yeshivos for example Torah Temimah, Lakewood, and for girls Bais Yaakov, who do want TV or Movies, and other items of secular origin.

    Modern Orthodox (Machmir, Middle of the Road, Liberal…): Those who went to YU/Sterns type schools, some of whom want no TV or movies (Machmir), etc and some of whom do. MO Liberal, a very small percentage of YU/Sterns type, is to the left of the MO spectrum, allowing pants for women, etc.

    There are many YU/Sterns people who do NOT want TV and Movies, etc (even if they dont wear the Black Hats) and the percentages are increasing about as much as Mod Yeshivish people (most often with Black Hats) who DO want some form of videos, etc.

    Hope that helps.

    #713468
    so right
    Member

    Ofcourse: IOW, the way you look at it, Modern Yeshivish took a step down and embraced television even though they may have come from families that didn’t have that garbage in their homes. Whilst some Modern Orthodox took a step up and got rid of the garbage they may have grown up with, and will not have a television in the home.

    #713469
    WIY
    Member

    Ofcourse

    Your definition seems on the mark.

    #713470
    eclipse
    Member

    can i vent?i’m a single mom looking to move.every yeshivish landlord ended up making up a bogus excuse…the others seemed interested.yeshivish motzi shaym ra takes on a life of its own.meaning mr.x is “CHOSHUV YESHIVISH” yeshivish;and that world seems to be way smaller than i thought…(sigh)

    that is why i keep repeating be sincere be honest and don’t make up your own torah.

    #713471
    bpt
    Participant

    Tuna, your definition is chillingly accurate.

    #713472
    WIY
    Member

    BPT

    I think Tunabeigel is way more extreme than a Modern Yeshivish. a tuna is more modern than a modern Yeshivish in most cases and is sometimes close to off the derech or just at risk. A Tuna will be wearing jeans (dgeens) a tight intereting colored tee shirt (ah tee shuhrt) have a very trim beard or none at all (trrrim bearrrd) small payos or none at all. A bluetooth in his ear (ah bluetoot) have the latest model cell phone (tzell fon) if married will be with a girl who looks like a…id prefer not to describe in detail here…

    He will be very lax in his mitzvah observance, and will likely use many vulgar words that will make one wonder if he was ever a sailor. However they won’t be sytactically correct and it will sound like he is “trying to be a goy” but just doesn’t know how. Oh and he will smoke like a chimney, have a small Yarmulka or wear a baseball cap. His shoes will be wacky (and probably not match the rest of the ensemble) need I go on? BPT you can take over from here.

    My point is a Tuna is a major rebel and is running away from chassidus. (They will never go to tish and cants stand any of the chassidish stuff like long Davenings…)

    A Modern Yeshivish is someone who takes some liberties but still wants to be a part of the yeshivish velt. meaning behind closed doors they will do certain unyeshivish things but in public for the most part they come across more or less Yeshivish.

    #713473
    real-brisker
    Member

    wiy – I agree with you, a tina is headed downwards as far as possible, while modern yisihvish is much more stable.

    #713474
    bpt
    Participant

    “behind closed doors they will do certain unyeshivish things but in public for the most part they come across more or less Yeshivish. “

    WIY – you are right, the tuna beigel is more “in your face” than the modern yeshivish, but to the truly yeshivish person, its the same avlah.

    Neither one (the tuna or the MY) really wants to be bound by the full program, but still want to “identify” with the group they stem from.

    Sorry to say, you gotta choose. If you’re not striving for full compliance, you’re bound to start sliding. That’s life in the material world.

    #713476
    addicted
    Participant

    BP Totty-

    You are right. Yeshivish people consider those who call themselves “Modern Yeshivish” to be mainly Modern and not at all yeshivish

    #713477
    WIY
    Member

    tunabeigel123

    What most people call a tuna beigel is what I described give or take a few differences, but basically a Chassidish “bum.”

    Your friends may call you Tuna to tease you, or you may be around more yeshivish guys and therefore to them its funny to call you a tuna. But as a general definition, a guy like youis not a tunabeigel!

    #713478
    bpt
    Participant

    “a guy like youis not a tunabeigel”

    He has a point, Tuna. A true tuna bagel would not be happy in the CR and 90% of his (or her, in the case of a tuna baguette) posts would not make it past the mods.

    Sorry tuna, you’re too eidle to be a real oisvorf.

    #713479

    It really doesn’t bother me whether i’m a tuna or not, just most my friends are not chassidish as i wasn’t brought up in a chassidish place so i suppose anyone who isn’t this vegy chassidishe guy they call a tuna.

    BPT

    What does oisvorf mean?

    #713480
    myfriend
    Member

    tuna – If you don’t know what oisvorf means, for crying out loud, you are DEFINITELY no tunabeigel!

    #713481
    bpt
    Participant

    I’m going to tell you in a minute, Tuna. But first, grab a jar, and bottle up some of your temimuskeit so that later doros will know what once walked this planet. (and tell your parents, rebbeim, counslors, and everyone else thank you. They did a great job in making you who you are).

    An oisvorf is a outcast, a rebel, a shaygetz, a bad dude.

    You are none of the above. Trust me, when you see a tuna, you’ll know the difference.

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