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I heard this term being thrown out there recently.
Isn’t that an oxymoron?
it sounds similar to “frum but with it” yeshivish but not greasy–guessing it means someone who feels connected to a yeshiva and is open-minded
Someone who got mixed up along the way.
in my understanding its very very long shaitels, very very tight clothing. either long or short. it’s learning in yeshiva, but really wanting olam hazeh.
a shtarke chofetz chaim bochur 😀
addicted
You should ask the person who said it what it means because some of these terms are flexible in their translation and mean different things to different people. If you asked me what Yeshivish means, it wont necessarily be the answer you would give me had I asked you.
yeshivish by modern standards.
myfriend
Means that they can think for themselves.
It’s funny – lately I’ve been using this appellation self-referentially in my head and to my dear friends, but I never saw or heard anyone else use it before!
addicted
Like I said it means something else to everyone….
addicted – sac is anti-yeshivish, so she assigned that nice description to something she relates to better.
Learn in Yeshiva. Drink coffee at Starbucks. 🙂
myfriend
Please let me know where I can send the check now that you appointed yourself my spokesperson.
I am not anti-Yeshivish. Hey, if it works for you, knock yourself out. Personally, I think all the “shtick” that has unfortunately become a part of “being Yeshivish” is what turned me off of the idea all together. I am not interested in being associated with an elitist “club” where if you show an iota of individuality, they have a name for you, you are branded and arent accepted. I believe most of my hashkafos are rooted in that of “Yeshivish” I just do away with all the pretenses.
That is what Modern Yeshivish means to me.
Sacrilege
So, modern yeshivish girl, how do we get to know one another’s individuality?
Sacrilege
Hey every community and group has its rules. If you are MO and you start doing certain things they will call you a right winger….
Get with reality you want to be part of the Yeshivish velt you have to toe their line. You cant say “Im Yeshivish” and go and do unYeshivish things and not expect fallout.
modern-belonging to the modern era/of or relating to recent times or the present
yeshivish-anyone who is yeshivish, wtvr that means.
hence modern yeshivish means anyone who is yeshivish living in the present.
“Yehivash” is a modern concept; its definition is merely cultural, and it’s hardly defined or has any meaning by the Torah. I don’t think the Chofetz Chaim or Rav Moshe Feinstein zt”l even understood what the word yeshivash means. IMO, the yeshivash concept/culture should be abolished from this world, and the Yiddishkeit spectrum should be merely defined as Frum, very Frum, extremely frum etc.
Abolish all labels, including Orthodox. A Jew is a Jew.
addicted
I believe its the narrow minded people such as yourself that focus on the minutia rather than the whole person that gets to me. Any other questions?
WIY
Which is why I took the liberty of placing a “modern” and put it before “Yeshivish” and now I have my own neat little category, so no one is offended.
Abolish all labels, including Orthodox. A Jew is a Jew.
Sounds like a plan.
Rav Moshe in teshuvos used the lashon of “Yerayim” for those who fear Hashem. I try to use it as well.
May we all be Zoche to Yiras Hashem.
Helpful: Frum Jews should have ‘actions’ to identify themselves with, like limud hatorah and maasim tovim. For one to need to identify him/her self with this so called ‘yeshivish culture’, shows a real lack of ‘pnimiyus’ and hence nothing ‘real’ to identify themselves with.
Sacrilege
But your vitriol towards Yeshivish people is unwarranted. You sound like a vegetarian who eats chicken and still wants to be called a vegetarian and when you are called on it you say “but I didn’t eat meat” and blame the vegetarians for not being openminded towards your “individuality.”
Helpful
Totally ridiculous idea. Abolish all titles, no Rabbi no Gabbai no nothing everyone should just be called person. Titles serve an important purpose.
WIY
Please dont put words into my mouth. I have no problem with Yeshivish people. I have a problem with the “system”, if you cant differentiate that, thats your problem not mine.
Well, yeshivish is a modern movement, and it has been getting more extreme (used in a non-derogatory way) as time passes.
Therefore, modern yeshivish would differentiate from older yeshivish, in being more yeshivish. I would say modern yeshivish is the most right wing parts of lakewood.
Does anybody know what “Modern Chareidi Zionist” means?
Sacrilege
You can have problems with the system and still be a part of it.
Theres no need to distance yourself from a system or group because things arent 100% perfect. Im sure many of the people who are high up in the system agree that the system has problems, that doesnt mean they will throw out the baby with the bathwater.
addicted
Take a step back, and re-read your posts. Just because we disagree on a different issue, doesnt mean I have a personal vendetta against you. When someone cant separate themselves emotionally and intellectually, they are being close minded and doing themselves a disservice from learning from those around them.
Additionally, I never claimed to coin the phrase. If you’ll re-read my previous post, all I said is I take the liberty of putting the word modern in front of Yeshivish. Meaning, that I can alter being from one category and now belong in another category. Also, you will note that the OP’s question is What Does Yeshivish Mean? All I did was answer it according to my definition, no need to make it personal.
SZ
I would argue the opposite. Someone who doesnt feel the need to “act and dress” Yeshivish but hashkafically is close to or on par with the Yeshivish mentality.
As a “modern yeshivish” person, the definition I feel that first me is someone who is learned enough to push the outer limits of halacha, without going over the edge
addicted
Which is all encompassing in my definition.
I agree with you it is indeed a two way street.
addicted
LOL. I find it interesting that just because we dont agree on a certain situation you think that we wouldnt agree on anything else. I would venture to say that we probably agree on many things.
I don’t like name tags. They are judgmental and lead to L”H.
Should we all go by a number instead?
On a popular frum dating site they have labels that you can use to describe yourself. One of these labels is Yeshivish Modern. I also wondered what that meant.
Here is how one woman described it:
“I embrace a Torah lifestyle with a professional secular career”
So then what is modern orthodox?
To PY: No, but it would make an excellent name for an rock band.
You have no idea how much I hate these labels and the threads about them. Perhaps that’s why I refuse to label myself.
Gave my (unasked for) two cents. (Yes, I know that that’s one of the shiva d’varim b’golem…)
Carry on.
The Wolf
Good question, Helpful…..
IOW it is the same thing.
hi i just got a netbook and found this thread.forget the labels:just make sure the person is sincere and consistent.a guy learning in kollel for years and then a magid shiur for years wih a full beard – if he’s missing emes and the yiras shomayim is worse than modern ANYthing.whatever you call yourself or whatever you want others to see you as:be honest and remember not to make up your own rules.
addicted
Single Frum female girls?
Yea, we have more than youd care to admit in common.
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