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June 14, 2017 1:14 pm at 1:14 pm #1296433oyyoyyoyParticipant
Anyone know if theres an issur on speaking loshon horoh on inanimate objects? was it halachicly muttar? Rashi makes it sound like real loshon harah.
June 14, 2017 1:42 pm at 1:42 pm #1296462Avi KParticipantAfter Hashem’s promise and after all of the open miracles in the desert it was unbelievable kefira. As for LH, I heard that the Ben Ish Hai said that it is even assur to complain about the weather in EY.
June 14, 2017 10:27 pm at 10:27 pm #1296996bmyerParticipant“it was unbelievable kefira”
Avi : It’s not that simple- these were really great people…June 14, 2017 11:33 pm at 11:33 pm #1297040oyyoyyoyParticipantthanks avi k. Its a chiddush to me though and like idk curious what it means
June 15, 2017 7:08 am at 7:08 am #1297055Avi KParticipantBmyer, and their yetzer hara was correspondingly greater. BTW, I read a few minutes ago an interesting chiddush. The Izbitca says that they intended to do an aveira llshma. They did believe in Am Yisrael’s ability to keep the Torah so they tried to prevent them from entering the Land. However, the did not appreciate the essential qualities of the Land. Rav Soloveichik says something similar. Just as Miriam did not appreciate Moshe sufficiently so too the spies did not appreciate EY sufficiently.
June 15, 2017 7:08 am at 7:08 am #1297057jakobParticipantwith the Sechina & hashem in his holy presence & the great himble leader Moshe Rabeinu being with klal yisroel 24/7 it was a lack of trust & faith in Hashem to question Hashem about the land promised to them & not trust Hashem when they were on such a high level & saw such great miracles every day since they left mitzrayim over & over again.
i.e. its a insult & contradiction to question YOUR own father/parents raising you since birth & taking care of EVERY SINGLE NEED, when you never yet saw in your life them not taking care of you 24/7
June 15, 2017 2:56 pm at 2:56 pm #1297458oyyoyyoyParticipantjakob, i agree with that part. But rashi the reason this parsha comes after last weeeks parsha is because miriam got tzaraas for speaking loshon hara and the mraglim didnt learn from that to avoid speaking loshon hara. This suggests that it is halachicly assur to speak loshon hara about the land.
June 15, 2017 3:15 pm at 3:15 pm #1297471tobsParticipantmaybe on our level it’s not so bad but the Meraglim were massive Tsaddikim and so on their level they did a major sin
also their Lashon Hara was horrible because it lead to the extreme reaction of Bnei Yisroel and and Hashem made that Galus would happen because they cried for no reason on the 9th of Av and so they will cry on that night for years to come.June 15, 2017 7:58 pm at 7:58 pm #1297923โข๏ธ Rand0m3x ๐ฒParticipantI think what Oyyoyyoy would like is for someone
to explain the sin of “hotziu dibas haAretz.”June 15, 2017 9:11 pm at 9:11 pm #1297947MDGParticipantAt first they answered Moshe’s questions about the land. Then they said it’s all for nothing; they passed judgement.
June 16, 2017 5:12 am at 5:12 am #1298008WinnieThePoohParticipantI haven’t seen this in any meforshim, these are my own thoughts.
As far as I know, Eretz Yisroel is the only inanimate “object” on which it is assur to speak Lashon Hara. And that may be related to what Jakob was saying. Eretz Yisroel was created for Bnei Yisroel to keep the Torah, it is perfect for their needs for that purpose. To malign E”Y is therefore to reject that principle, which is harmful to the relationship of YIsroel-Torah-Hashem and shows tremendous ingratitude to Hashem. So I think that is why it is assur to speak L”H about E”Y, specifically.June 16, 2017 2:36 pm at 2:36 pm #1298198oyyoyyoyParticipantbeautiful. avi k just understood your stuff also thanks very nice.
June 16, 2017 5:15 pm at 5:15 pm #1298241Yechi HamelechParticipantI have a question for you guys to answer that is semi-related to this topic: After all the clear nisim that were surely maalah min hatevah such as krias yam suf, the ten plagues, the rolling stone, the “man” that fell in the desert and tasted like anything they wanted, an dozens of others, how was it possible that the yidden believed that Hashem wouldnt help them to get Eretz Yisroel from the giants? how did they come to believe the meraglim that it was impossible to attain the land? they surely should have felt invincible by the!
June 16, 2017 6:10 pm at 6:10 pm #1298248oyyoyyoyParticipantInteresting. I saw artscroll chumash when paroh came running at us after he let us free by krias yam suf, Why would he do that? didnt he seeeeeee? The scary answer there is that the human mind has a very powerful ability to rationalize. Maybe this is the same? idk
June 16, 2017 6:10 pm at 6:10 pm #1298250oyyoyyoyParticipantGoing into eretz yisroel meant not seeing the man coming from shamayim, not seeing the open hand of hashem every day. They were afraid of going into that life. But that is exactly what Hashem wants, for us to see him through all the veils of tevah and hester, and to not say “i made this money”, it came from hashem.
I once heard a rebbe saw children playing hide and seek and commented that that’s how it is. Hashem hides Himself from us (individualy and or a klal), but he wants for us to seek him out. Not seeking is missing the whole point. Good shabbos everyone!! i love you all!!!!!!!!
June 16, 2017 7:06 pm at 7:06 pm #1298254Yechi HamelechParticipantvery good oyyoyyoy! that is almost the correct answer! did you think of that yourself or you heard that from someone?
it is similar to the answer that the Lubavitcher Rebbe gave in one of his famous sichos.
The reason the yidden didn’t want to enter e”y was not because they were scared about losing the war but a different reason entirely.
yidden didn’t want to enter into a world of gashmius and business. in the midbar they were able to sit and learn without having to worry about financial matters.June 17, 2017 11:43 pm at 11:43 pm #1298311oyyoyyoyParticipantI heard it from someone else who was quoting someone wayy before the rebbes times. I still dont have a perfect answer about the whole L”H thing
June 19, 2017 6:05 pm at 6:05 pm #1299593Yechi HamelechParticipantOh so that explains why your answer was a little different from what the Rebbe said. Who was the person that your friend quoted about the other answer?
July 25, 2017 3:20 pm at 3:20 pm #1325186oyyoyyoyParticipantrashi this weeks parsha says that they didnt learn the lesson from miriam and spoke against the “makom”. One way they explain this word is eretz yisroel, but the other way is that they were belittling what Hashem said.
July 25, 2017 8:07 pm at 8:07 pm #1325320sefardi guyParticipantFinally there is Torah here and not Shtussim!
July 25, 2017 8:07 pm at 8:07 pm #1325319blubluhParticipantThe issur of lashon hara involves the listener as well as the tale bearer. Understanding its role in the episode of the meraglim is an opportunity to consider what it is about lashon hara that makes it so appealing and hopefully strengthen those traits that protect us from it.
June 15, 2020 4:08 pm at 4:08 pm #1872689Zugger613ParticipantIf anybody is interested in a great pshat in the Meraglim, the ืฉื”ื goes throught the subject quite extensively:
ืืืืืจ ื’ ืื ืืฉื ืืืืจ ืฉืื ืื ืื ืฉืื ืืื’, ืขื ืกืืฃ ืื ืืคืจืฉื. ืืฉ ืืขื ืื ืืื ืืื ืงืืฉืืืช. ืืงืืฉืื ืืจืืฉืื ื ืื ืฉืืงืฉื ืื ืืืคืจืฉืื ืื ืืืื ืืืจืืืื, ืืจืืฉ ืืืืืจืื ืืื ืืจืื”ื (ืื, ื) ืืื ืืฉืื ื, ืื ืขืฉื ืืืจืืืื, ืื ืืฉื ืืืจ ืืื (ืืืืืจ ืื, ืื) ืืจืืืชื ืืช ืืืจืฅ ืื ืืื ืืืช ืืขื ืืืืฉื ืขืืื ืืืืง ืืื ืืจืคื ืืืขื ืืื ืื ืจื. ืืืืจ ืืื (ืฉื ืื) ืืขืจืื ืืืืื ืื ืื ืืืืฆืจืื, ืืขื ืื ืคื ืื ืืื ืฆืจืืืื ืืืฉืืื ืขื ืื ืฉืฆืื ืืืชื, ืืื ืคืฉืขื ืืื ืืืืชื ืืฉืืืจื ืื ืืคืก ืื ืขื ืืขื ืืืขืจืื ืืฆืืจืืช ืืืืืืช, ืืื ืขื ืื ืช ืฉืืขืืื ืื ืฉืงืจ ืฉืื ืืืชื. ืืื ืชืืฉืื ืื ืืื ืคืฉืขื ืืืืจื ืืจืฅ ืืืืืช ืืืฉืืื ืืืื, ืื ืืจื ืฉืืืืจื ืืื ืื ืืื ืืจืืืช ืืื ืขืืื. ืืื ืืชืื (ืืืจืื ื, ืื) ืืืื ื ืืืกื ืืช ืืืืื ื ืืืืจ ืขื ืืืื ืืจื ืืื ื ืืื’, ืืืืื (ืืืืืจ ืื, ื) ืืชืื ืื ืคืื ืืืจื ื ืฉืื ื ืืืคืื ื ืืืื ืืื. ืืื ื ืืฉื ืจืืื ื ืืืจ ืืคื ืื ืืืืจืื ืืืื, ืืืคืืื ืืื ืืืืง ืืขื ืืืืืฆืจ ืขืจืืื ืืื ืืขื ืงืื ืืชืจ ืืืื ืืื ืฉืืืจื ืืืจืืืื ืืืืืชื, ืืืืชืื (ืืืจืื ื, ื-ื) ืฉืืข ืืฉืจืื ืืชื ืขืืืจ ืืืื ืืช ืืืจืื ืืื ืืจืฉืช ืืืื ืืืืืื ืืขืฆืืืื ืืื, ืขืจืื ืืืืืืช ืืืฆืืจืืช ืืฉืืื. ืขื ืืืื ืืจื ืื ื ืขื ืงืื ืืฉืจ ืืชื ืืืขืช ืืืชื ืฉืืขืช, ืื ืืชืืฆื ืืคื ื ืื ื ืขื ืง. ืืื ืื’ ืคืฉืข ืืืจืืืื ืืืืืชื ืืื, ืืื ืื ืื ืืช ืื ืื ืืื ืืื ืื ืืืจืืืื ืืช ืื ืืืืชื, ืขื ืืื ืืฉืื ื:
ืืื ื ืื”ื ืืชื ืืจืื”ื ืื ืืืื ืืื ืืื ืฉืืืจื ืืคืก, ืืื ืืฉืื ื, ืื ื ืืืจื ืืืช ืืืฉืืื ืขื ืื ืฉื ืฆืืื. ืืืื ืืื ืืืืจ ืฉืืขื ืืืืฉื ืขืืื ืขื ืืืขืจืื ืืฆืืจืืช, ืื ืืฉ ืืื ืืืฉืื ืืืจื ืืืช ืืฉืืืื, ืื ืื ืฆืื ืืืชื ืืืืง ืืื ืืจืคื ืืืืื ืื ืื ืืืืฆืจืื. ืืื ืจืฉืขื ืืืืช ืืคืก, ืฉืืื ืืืจื ืขื ืืืจ ืืคืก ืื ืื ืข ืื ืืืื, ืฉืื ืืคืฉืจ ืืฉืื ืขื ืื, ืืืฉืื (ืชืืืื ืขื, ื) ืืืคืก ืื ืฆื ืืืื ืขืื ืื’, ืขืืื ืฉื:
ืืืชื ืืขื ืขืงืืื ืืื ืืฉืื ื, ืืจืื ืฉืืื ืืงืืืง ืืืืฉ ืืืื ืืืฆืื ืืืืช ืชืืฆืืืช, ืื ืืืื ืืืช ืืคืก ืืื ืืฉืืืฉ ืืื ืฉืื ืืืืช ืจืง ืื ืื ืืื ืฉืืชืื ืืืืขื ืคืขื (ืืืืืจ ืื, ื) ืื ืืช ืืืืจ, ืคืขื (ืฉื ืื) ืืคืก ืืช ืืืืจ, ืืืื ืืืื ืืื ืืื ืืฉื ืืื ืืืขื (ืืืจืื ืื, ื) ืืคืก ืื ืื ืืืื ืื ืืืืื, ืขื ืืื ืืฉืื ื:
ืืื ื ืืจื ืืขื ืขืงืืื ืคืืจืฉ ื”ื ืฉืืืื ืืื ืืืคืก ืืื ืืขื ืื ืืืจ. ืื ืื ืืื ืฉืืืืื, ืืื ืืื ืจืืื ืืืืจ ืจืง ืฉืืืืืชื ืืื ืืืืืช ืืืขืฆืื, ืื ืืืืืขืฅ ื ืชื ื, ืืืื ืืื ืืืฉืื ืขื ืืขื, ืืื ืืืืจ ืืคืก ืฉืืื ืืืจื ืขื ืืขืฆื, ืืืืืจ ืื ืืืืข ืชืืขื ืื ืืืืจ ืื ืขื ืืขื. ืืืื ืืืืืง ืืื ืื ืืชืื ืืคืก, ืื ืจืง, ืื ืืื ืขื ืื ืืขื ืขืงืื:
ืืืืืืจื ืืืื ืืช ืืฉืจ ืืืืจ ืืขื ืขืงืืื, ืืื ื ืื ืืขืืื ืช ืฉืคืืจ ืืื ืืืจืื ืืกืคืืงืื, ืืืฉืืื ืื ืื ืืืชื ืืืจ ืืืืืื ืืืฉืจืื ืืื ืคืขืืื ืฉืืืจืฅ ืืื ืืืื ืืืื, ืืื ืืืจืื ื ืืื ืื. ืืื ืืืืจ ืฉืืืจ ืืืืืื ืฉืืืจืฅ ืืืื, ืืื ืื ืืืืื ื ืืขื ืืขืช ืื ื ืฉืืื ืืจืืืช ืื ืขื ืื ืืืจืฅ ืืคืืจืืชืื, ืืื ืืขื ืืืง ืื ืจืคื, ืืืืืฆื ืืื, ืืืจืืืช ืืืื ืื ืืื ืืืื, ืื ืื ืืฉืืื ืืืจืืืื ืืืืื ืืคื ืขื ืื ืฉืืืืืชื ืืืืจ ืืฆื ืืืขืืืช ืืื ืืืช ืืื ืืืืฉ ืืื ืคืจืื ืืื ืืืื, ืืื ื ืืฆื ืื ืขื ืืขื ืืื ื ืืืื. ืื”ื ืืืจื ืงืืฉืื ืืืืืชื:
ืขืื ืงืฉื, ืืื ืืืื ืืฉืจืื ืืฉืืื ืืจืืืื ืฉืืืจ ืืงื”ื ืืืื ืื ื ื ืืชื ืืืฉืื ืืื ืฉืืชื ืจืฉ”ื (ืืืืืจ ืื, ื ื”ื ืฉืื ืื), ืืื ืืื ืืจืฆืื ืืฉื ืจืืื ื ืข”ื ืฉืฉืื ืืช ืคื ื’ ืื ืขืฉื ืืจืฉืืชื. ืขืื ืงืฉื, ืืื ืื ื ืืชื ืืื ืืกืืคืืจ ืื ืฉืืื ืื ืฉืื ืืคื ืื ื ืืืืืืจ ืืืฉื ื ืชืืจื. ืขืื ืงืฉื, ืฉืื ืื ื’ ืืฉืื ืืช. ืคืขื ืืืจ (ืืืืืจ ืื, ื) ืืืชืืจื, ืคืขื ืืืจ (ืืืจืื ื, ืื) ืืืืคืจื, ืืคืขื (ืฉื ืื) ืืืจืืื. ืขืื ืงืฉื, ืืื ื ืฉืืื ื”ื, ืืื ืื ืืื ืื ืืฉื ื ืื ืฉืื ืืจืืืื ืืื ืฉืขืฉื ืืืืฉืข:
ืขืื ืงืฉื, ืื ืฉืื ืืฉืืืื ืืืืชื ืฉืขื ืืฉืจืื ืืื, ืืื”ื ืืืจ (ืืืืืจ ืื, ืื) ืืืืื ืืืืืื, ืืงืืฉ ืื’. ืขื ืื ื ืืื ืืืืจ ืขื ืืจื ืืฆืืืช, ืืืืช ืจืฉืขืื ืืขืืงืจื ืืื, ืจืง ืื ืฉืื ืจืืฉื ืื ื ืืฉืจืื, ืื ืืืื ืืจืื ืืขืื ืื ืื’ ืืจืื ืืืื (ืฉ”ื ืื, ื):
ืขืื ืงืฉื, ืืฉืกืืจ ืืฉื ืจืืื ื ืข”ื ืฉืื ืืฉืจืื, ืืื ืื ืืชืคืื ืขื ืืืืฉืข. ืื ืืื ืืขืื ืืงืจืืืช ืืฉื ืืืืืฉืข. ืื ืืื ืื ืืชืคืื ืื ืื ืขื ืืืกื ืืฆืืืง ืืื. ืืื ืฉืืืช ืืื ืฉืื ืงืฉื ืืืคื. ืขืื ืงืฉื, ื ืฉืืืื ืืจืืฉืื ืื ื ืืฉืื ืืืืืจืื ืฉืืืืจืจื ืืืจ, ืืื ืื ื ืฉืืื, ืืืื ืกืืจื ืฉืืชื ืืืื:
ืขืื ืงืฉื, ืืืจื ืืืจืืืื ืกืืชืจืื ืืืืืจื. ืืืจื (ืืืืืจ ืื, ืื) ืืจืฅ ืืืืืช ืืืฉืืื, ืืืืจื (ืฉื ืื) ืื ืืืืื ืืขื ืง ืจืืื ื ืฉื. ืขื ืืจื ืืคืฉื, ืื ืืืืืช ืืืฉืืื ืฉืื ืขื ืงืื, ืืื ืฉืื ืื ืฉืื ืืืืฉืื. ืขืื ืงืฉื, ืืืืข (ืขื’ ืกืืื ื, ื) ืื ืืืื ืฉืืื, ืืืื ืืงืื ืืฉ ืืขื ืืืฆืจ ืืจืข ืืืกืืชื ืืขืืืจื ืืืจืื ืื ืืื ืื ืืืืื ืืืืื. ืืื ืื ืื ืืื ืืืืข ืืืจืืืื ืืขืืืื ืืืืืจ:
ืืขื ืื ืฉืืื ืืจืืืื ืืื ื’ ืืขืืช, ืขื ืืจื ืฆืืืงืื, ืืื ืื ืื, ืจืฉืขืื. ื’ ืฆืืืง ื’ ืืื ืืจืืื, ืืืืืืื ืืฉื ืขืืื ื ืืื ืืืชื ืืืฉ ืฆืืืง ืชืืื, ืืืืชื ืืจืฉืืช ืืคื ืืงื”ื ืืืฉื ืจืืื ื ืข”ื ืืฉืืื ืืจืืืื ืืื ืฉืืจืื ืืฉืจืื ืืืืง ืืื ืขื ืืื ืืื ืืืืจื ืื ืื’ ืืืฉืืขื, ื’ ืืืฉ ืืืืื. ืืขื ืื ืฆืืื ื”ื ืืจืืืช ืืืืงืช ืืขื ืืืขืจืื ืืืืืืืช ืืืืข ืฉืื ืืคืฉืจ ืืืืข ืืืืืฉ ืืืชื, ืืืื ืฉืืืจ ืืฉื ืจืืื ื ืข”ื ืืืืจ ืืขื (ืืืจืื ื, ื) ืฉืืข ืืฉืจืื ืืชื ืขืืืจ ืืืื ืืื’ ืืจืฉืช ืืืื ืืืืืื ืืขืฆืืืื ืืื’, ืืื ืืืืื ื ืฉืืฉืืื ืืืื ืืืืืื ืื ืืชืืจื ืืื ืื ื’ ืขืฉืชื ืืืช ืืื ืืช’ ืืจืืข ืขื ืืืืจื:
ืืขื ืืจื ืื ืคืืจืฉ ืืกืคืจ ืืขืฉื ืืฉื ืืคืกืืง (ืืืจืื ื, ืื) ืื ืชืืืจ ืืืืื ืจืืื ืืืืื ืืืื ืืืื ืืืื ืืืืจืืฉื ืื ืชืืจื ืืื. ืืืืืื ื ืืื, ืืฉืชืืืจ ืื ืืืืื ืฉืื ืืืื ืืืืจืืฉื ืื ืื ืืืืืื ืืืืงืื ืื ืื ืืขืืจืช ืืฉ”ื, ืื ืื ืชืืจื ืืื ืื ืืื ืืชืืจื ืืืื ืขืื. ืืื ืืฉืชืืืจ ืืื ืืขืืฆื ืืื ืืขืฉื, ืื ืชืืจื ืืื. ืืื ืชืืืช ืื ืื ืืืจ ืืื ืืคืกืืง ืืคืฉืืื, ืืืื ืฆืจืื ืืื ืฉืืชื ืจืฉ”ื ืฉื. ืืื ืืขืช ืืฉ”ื ืฉืฆืืื ืืช ืืฉื ืืฉืืื ืืจืืืื, ืืืื ืืกืืื ืืขืช ืืฉื ืื ืื. ืขื ืื ืืืืืจ ืืืืจื ืืฉ”ื ืืืืืจื ืืฉื ืจืืื ื ืข”ื ืืืฉื ื ืืืืชืืจื, ืื ืื ืืืฉืื ื ืืคื ืขื ืืืืขื ืืื ืืืื ื ืืื ืฉืืชืื (ืืืืืจ ืื, ืื) ืืื ืชืชืืจื ืืืจื ืืืืื ืืื’:
ื’ ืืฉืจืื ืืื ืื ืื, ืื ืืืชื ืืืื ืชื ืขื ืฉืื ืืืจ ืฉืงืจ, ืจืง ืืืื ืชื ืืจืื ืืืืข ืืืืช ืื ืืื ืืืคืฉืจื ืืจื ืืืืข, ืืื ืกืืื ืขื ืืขืฉื ื ืืกืื, ืืขื ืื ืฆืื ืืจืื. ืืื ืฆืื ืืจืืืช ืืืืื ืืจื ืืืื ืืฉืจ ืืฉื ื ื ืืืชืจ ืืืืืฉ ืืืฆืืื ืืืจืืื:
ืืื ื ืืื ืืื ืื ืืฉื ืช ืืกืืืื ืืื, ืื ืื ืฉืืืจื ืืจืืืช ืืืืจ ืืคื ืืืืข, ืืฃ ืฉืืืืฉืข ืขืฉื ืื ืืืืืืช ืขื ืื ืื ื ืฆืืื ืืืงื”ื, ืืื ืืงืื ืืืื ืืื ืืคืฉืจ ืขื ืคื ืืืืข ืื ืืื ื ืขืืืจ ืื. ืืื ืืฆืืื ืืืจืืื ืื ืืื ืฆืืจื, ืื ืขื ื ื’ ืืืื ืืคื ืืื ืืืจืื ืืื ืืงืื ืืืื ืืจื ืืืื, ืื ืืฉืื ืืืจืื ืืืืืื ืื ืืื:
ืืืื ืืชืืจืฅ ืืืขืชื ืืื ืืืืฉืข ืฉืื ืืจืืืื ืืจืืืชื ืืจืขื ืื ืืฉืื ืืฉืืื ืืืจืืืื, ืืืจื ืืืฉืื ืชืืจืฅ, ืื ืืืข ืื ืืฉืืื, ืืื ืขืฉื ืจืง ืืกืืื ื ืืชืืืงื ืืขื ืืขื ืื ืืืขืื ืื’. ืืื ื ืืืืจ ืื ืืืืฉืข ืขืฉื ืืจืืืช ืืืจื, ืื ื ืกืชืืง ืขืืื ืืขื ื ืืฉืืช ืืืจื. ืืขื ืื ืชืืฆื ืืืืจื ืืฉืจืื ืืืืคืจื, ืื ืืืื ืชื ืืื ืืฉืืื ืืจืืืื ืืืืืช ืืจืคืช ืืืจืฅ ืืื ื”ื ืืืืช ืืืื ืื. ืืืืกืืช ืกืืื ืคืจืง ืืื ื ืืืจืื (ืื, ื) ืืืืคืจื ืื ื ืืช ืืืจืฅ, ืืืจ ืจืื ืืืื ืืจ ืืื ืื ื ืชืืืื ื ืืื ืืืืฉืชื ืฉื ืืจืฅ ืืฉืจืื ืืชืื (ืืืจืื ื, ืื) ืืืืคืจื ืื ื ืืช ืืืจืฅ, ืืืชืื ืืชื (ืืฉืขืื ืื, ืื) ืืืคืจื ืืืื ื. ืคืืจืฉ ืจืฉ”ื, ืืืืฉืชื ืฉื ืืจืฅ ืืฉืจืื, ืืืชื ืฉืืืื ืฉืฉืืื ืชืืื ืฉืืื ืืืจืืืื. ืืืืืื ื ืืฉืจืื ืฉืฉืืื ืืืชื ืืืืื ืืืื ืจ”ื ืื ืืื ื”ื ืืืช. ืืื ืืืจืืืื ืืขืฆืื ืืืื ืชื ืืืืฆืื ืืืืช ืฉืงืจ, ืืืื ืืืืืง ืืื ืืืฆืื ืืืื ืืืืื ืืืื:
ื’ ืืืจืืืื ืื ืืช ืจืฉืขืื, ืืืืื ืชื ืืืชื ืืจืข ืืขืฉืืช ืขืืืื ืืืฉืจืื ืืืืืจ, ืืืชืืืื ืืืืฆืืืช ืืขืฉืืช ืฉืืื ืืืฉืจืื, ืืืฉืื ืกืืคืง ืืืืฆืื ืจืืฉืื ื ืื ืืืฆืืื ืืืื ืืคืจืืกืื. ืืืขืื ืืื, ืื ืืืื ื ืืื ืื ื ืฉืืื ื ืฉืืืื ืืจืืฉืื ืื ื ืืฉืื ืืืืืจืื, ืืื ืืืื ืืืืืชื ืฉืืืจื ืืืืืช ืืืจืฅ ืืฉืจืื, ืืืืืื ืื ืืื ืื ืื ื ืืืจื ืืืชื. ืืืฉืื ืืืจืืืื, ืื ืืื ืฉืืฉืจืื ืืืืฆื ืืืจืฅ ืืฉืืจื ืื ืื ืฉืืืืช, ืืืืื ืฉืขืื ืื ืืจืื. ืืืคืฉืจ ืฉืืื ืขื ืื ืืื ืฉืืืจื ืืฉืจืื ืืืืชื ืฉืขื, ืจืฆื ืืืืจ ืืืืฆื ืืืจืฅ ืจืืืื ืื ืืืืื:
ืืืืจ ืืืชืื ืื ืืฆืืชื ืื ืืืืืจ (ื”ื ืงื ื, ื) ืืื ืืฉืื ื, ืืื ืืขืื ืืืื ื ืืื ืขืืื ืื, ืืื ืืืจื ืื ืืขืืื ืืฉืจืื ืืืจืขื ื ืขืืืจ ืื ื ืืืืืื’ ืจืืฉืื, ืืืื ื ืืฉื ืจืืฉืื ืืืจืื ืื, ืืื ืื ื ืืืื ื ืืืืืจื ืืืืื, ืืื ืืืจืขื ืื ื ืืื ืื’, ืขื ืืื ืืฉืื ื:
ืื ืืืืื ื ืืื ืฉืืืจื ืืฉืจืื ืืืืชื ืฉืขื, ืฉืขืืืื ืื ืืื ืขืืื ืืืขืชื ืืืืฆืื ืืืช ืฉืงืจ, ืจืง ืืื ืืงืืืื ืฉืื ืืืื ื ืืื ืืขืืืช ืืืืจืฉ ืืจื ืืืืข. ืื ืขื ืืจื (ืืืืช ื, ื) ืขืืืจื ืืืจืจืช ืขืืืจื ืืื ืื”ื ืืืืฆืืช ืืืื, ืขื ืื ืืชืื ืืื ืืฉืื ืืืจืืื, ืืฉืื (ืชืืืื ืื, ื) ืื ืจืื ืขื ืืฉืื ื:
ืืื ืฉืืืจื ืืงืืฉ ืืืืืชื ืืืืืชื ืืืื, ืื ืฉืขืื ืื ืขื ืืืฉืืชื ืืืืฆืืช ืืืืช ืจืขื, ืื ื ืงืืื ืืืฉืจืื ืืื ืื ืืื, ืจืง ืฉืืืื ืืื ืืืื ืืื, ืืืืจ ืฉืืชืืืื ืืืืื ืืขืฉืืช ืืืฉืื ืืฉืืื ืืืืื, ืืืื ืืืืฉืื ืฉื ืชืื ืืคื ืืื, ืืขื ืื ืฉืคืืจืฉ ืืงืื ืืคืจืฉืช ืืืง ืื”ืฉ ืืืืขืืชื ืื, ืขืืื ืฉื. ืืืขื ืื ืฉืืืจื ืจื”ื (ืฉืืช ืงื, ื) ืื ืืจืื ืฉื ืืฆื”ืจ, ืืืื ืืืืจ ืื ืขืฉื ืื, ืืืืืจ ืืืืจ ืื ืขืฉื ืื, ืขื ืฉืืืืจ ืื ืขืืืื ืืจื. ืืืฃ ืฉืืขืฉืื ืืจืืฉืื ื ืื ืขืื ืืืืฉืืชื ืขื ืื ืืืฉืจ ืืื ืืื, ืืื ืืงืื ื ืืฉื ืืืื ืื, ืืืืจ ืฉืืื ืืืื ืื ืข”ื ืื. ืื ืืืจืืืื ืืื ืืืื ืื ืืืกืืฃ, ืืืจืืื ืืืฆืืื ืืืื ืืืคืจืืฉืืช ืื ืจืื. ืืื ืืืฆืื ื ืื ืืืจืืืื ืืฉืื ืืชืืจ ืืื ืืจืข, ืื ืืืื ืืชืืจ ืืืจ ืืื ืืืืจ ืขืื ื, ืืืืื ื ืืื ืขืื ืื ืืจืื ืืื ืื ืื ืืื ืืืื ืชื:ื ืืืืจ ืืขื ืื ืจืืฉืื, ื’ ืืขืืช ืืฉืืืืืช ืืืจืืืื. ืืขืช ืืืจืืืื ืืจืืืฃ ืืืจ ืืืืื, ืืืืื ืืขืืืจื ืืขืืืจื ืขื ืฉืืืฉื ืื’, ืื ืืื ืืืืจืฅ ืฉืืืื ืืฉื ืืขืื. ืืขืช ืืฉืจืื ืืื ืืืืืช ืืืื, ืืืืืจ ืฉืืืืื ืืืืช, ืืื ืื ืืืืฆืืช ืืืืช ืฉืงืจ, ืืืืชื ืืืื ืชื ืืจืืืช ืื ืืืืื ืืืืืฉ ืืจื ืืืืข. ืืื ืื ืื ืืื ืจืข ืืขืื ื ื’, ืื ืืขืื ื ืืฉื ืจืข. ืืฆืืืื ืืฉ”ื ืืฉืืืืืช ืืืจืืืื ืืื ืืืจืื ืืืืคื, ืฉืืจืื ืืขืื ืืื ืฉืื ืืคืฉืจ ืืืืฉื ืืจื ืืืืข ืื ืื ืืืงืื ืืืืื, ืืื ืืขืจืื ืื ืืืืืืช ืืืฆืืจืืช ืืฉืืื, ืื ืื ืื ื’ ืชืขืฉื ืืืช, ืืื ืืจืื ืื ืืื ืื ืืชื ืืื:
ืืื ืืชืืจืฅ ืืงืืฉืื ืืืืืื, ืื ืืื ืืื ืืืจืืืื ืืชืืืื ืงืืื ืฉืืืฆืืื ืืืืช ืืืจืฅ, ืขื ืฉืืืฆืจื ืืงืคืืฅ ืืื ืืืืก ืืช ืืขื. ืื ืื ื ืืืื ืืื ืฉืืืจื ืืคืก ืื ืขื ืืขื ืืื ืฉืืชื ืืจืื”ื. ืืื ืื ืืขื ืื ืฉืืชื ืืจืื”ื ืื ืืื ืืืืืง ืืฆืื ืื ืฉืืชืื ืืคืก ืื ืจืง ืื ืื ืืืืจื ืืขื ืขืงืืื, ืืื ืืื ื ืืืจื ืืืจื ืืขื ืืขืงืืื. ืจืง ืืขื ืื ืื ืืชืืืช ืืคืก ืืคืื ืืืื ืช ืืฉ”ื, ืืคืก ืื ืขื ืืขื ืืืจื ืืกืจืื ืฉืื ืืื ืืืืช ืื, ืืืืจืื ืืืื ืช ืืฉ”ื ืืื ืฉืืจืื ืฉืื ืขื, ืืื ืืจืื ืื ืื’ ืืืืืื ืืืื ืฉืืชืืชื, ืื ืื ืืื ืืชืืืืช ืืจืืืช ืื ื’ ืฆืืืืช ืขืื ื ืืฉืื ืื ื. ืืืืืื ืื’ ืืกื ืืกืืืื ื:
June 16, 2020 4:03 pm at 4:03 pm #1873197Zugger613ParticipantIn a nutshell, as I understand it:
What did the Meraglim do wrong, they were sent to give a report on the land and thatโs exactly what they did?
The Ramban says that the problem was that the meraglim used the word ืืคืก, which means impossible. The Akeidah says that they shouldnโt have editorialized the report with their opinion at all, they should have just reported the facts.
The Shelah says there were thee different groups:
Moshe wanted the Meraglim to report back on how strong the nations of the land were, so that the nation would greater appreciate the miracle that Hashem was going to perform for them.
The nation as a whole was in the middle – they wanted to make sure that conquering the land was naturally feasible, because they didnโt want to rely on a miracle. Their mistake was to take this too far, and to believe something that doesnโt seem possible is truly impossible, when nothing is impossible with Hashemโs help.
The Meraglim themselves thought they would lose their position of authority if the nation entered Eretz Yisroel, and they were therefore determined to convince the nation not to attempt this by whatever means necessary.
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