What did the dirty diaper-throwing individuals hope to accomplish?

First of all, don’t necessarily believe everything you read, certainly not before checking it out. There was once a report of people throwing dirty diapers at the Women at the Wall. Pray tell, where did they get dirty diapers at the Kosel? It later turned out to be false.

But assuming that this story is true, the answer to your question, unfortunately, is that they do not hope to accomplish anything at all. These are people who have a very long history with the establishment in EY, and they are not forgetting it. It is warping their worldview. They are angry and expressing it in what is obviously a highly negative and destructive fashion.

Will they be punished? Go find them first.

How can they be taught to stop doing things like that? Probably, they can’t. Realize that these people are not the ones sitting in the beis midrash learning with hasmadah, or who have regular jobs.

Who can stop them best? No one. The Eidah HaChareidis condemns these things on a regular basis and it doesn’t help. The only thing that might stop them is if the press – chareidi and otherwise – would begin to totally ignore them and act as if they don’t exist. But since the secular press LOVES these stories, I wouldn’t bet on that happening too soon.

Probably all we can do is make clear that they do not speak for or represent the mainstream chareidi community, however defined. Truth to tell, they don’t even represent Yerushalmim. They represent themselves.

Well said, EY Mom.

Chalilavchas

There are approximately 100 of these bored unemployed violent bitter fellows living within a community of about 100000 people that are giving the rest a bad name. The truth is that they should be handed over to the police and I have no clue why they are tolerated because they clearly take directives from none of the Rabbonim.

They can be stopped when the police want to stop using them to make all of us look bad.

Perhaps they should throw rocks – big ones, ones that can cause real damage. The Arabs tend to prefer things that go “boom” – which is what the zionists used when they wanted to protest (note – they didn’t throw diapers at the King David Hotel).

Perhaps it might be better to have totally orderly, peaceful civil disobedience. Such were used by African Americans in the United States and worked out well (albeit the vast majority of states had already banned racial discrimination and regarded the southerns as jerks for their racial policies). Also the American legal system

was open to civil rights suits, whereas the Israeli legal system is controlled by a self-perpetuating system that reflects the viciously anti-religious elites who dominated Israel in the 1950s.

Given that in that part of the world, protests tend to involve a lot more than tossing diapers, we shouldn’t complain. The real issue is that the rulers of Eretz Yisrael want to surpress Torah Judaism no less than the “Hellenists” did, but that the Hareidim don’t want to rely on a miracle and take up armed resistance (you can find a full halachic discussion of why not in the original Satmarer’s seferim).

“Popa, How DARE you spread such LIES!? They weren’t “shababniks” as you claim, it was OBVIOUSLY charedim in disguise.”

uneeq, Do you mean to say that they were Chareidim pretending to be Shabakniks pretending to be chareidim?

Shababniks are OTD youth who are recruited and egged on by police and ShaBaK shtinkers in charedi dress who themselves are OTD and want to make the whole community look bad. Another term used for them is “plitei hayeshivot” – refugees from the yeshivas. They do not listen to any rabbonim, unless you consider Yoilish Krauss, an obvious shtinker, to be a rov. (He is a rav, but his title is in effect only after shkia.)

I saw the same types that Popa saw in the same area. When I saw them one Friday night years ago, I was walking with a friend, who today is a city councilman for Aguda/UTJ, and who is an amateur chazzan. He started to sing: “Shabbos hee melizoik…” to the shababnikim (and we know what follows that phrase). The kids were bothering more frum Yiden with their noise than they were doing anything to close a street that hardly gets any traffic anyway on Shabbos.

they’re gangs of ODT kids who dress like they used to, and among other things, they harass cars driving on Shabbat.

That being said, we do NOT fight the medine with dirty diapers. We ignore their provocations, and remember that Hashem will take care of those who need to be taken care of. Former police chief Nisso Shaham, whose grube pomim is that of a descendant of the infamous Jewish stevedores who ran mafia theft and extortion rings at Ottoman ports to the detriment of Jewish merchants, fell fast and hard after making charedi lives miserable in Y-m for a few weeks. Even Yoilish Krauss (to say nothing of responsible askonim like my friend who sang to the shababnikim) is having his last laugh at Shaham’s expense.