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    Zetruth
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    After seeing how he fiercly defended our most basic rights during the ‘pandemic’ I’m just wondering why he’s not getting the honor he deserve? I was not involved in politics before but this time I am getting involved!

    #2183036
    moishekapoieh
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    I know you r not talking about president jfk, but I’ll tell anyway my opinion of him. We were all in awe of him, but when he said ‘ich bin ein berliner’ , a mere 15 years after the holocaust, he turned me off

    #2183050
    ujm
    Participant

    You didn’t hear about the curse the Rov put on the Kennedy family?

    #2183056
    commonsaychel
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    My thoughts about Kennedy?, traffic clogged, a pain to get to, layout stinks, I prefer Newark

    #2183096
    Zetruth
    Participant

    I heard about that story but it made me wonder, “Rabbi Kotler allegedly asked Kennedy to offer visas to immigrants Jews and his request was denied, then he would have cursed him”
    1) First of all I don’t believe in curse 2) Something like this will never cross a sage mind. Don’t we say in the shema ” And may no person be punished because of me. ”
    (ג) לְשֵׁם יִחוּד קֻדְשָׁא בְּרִיךְ הוּא וּשְׁכִינְתֵּהּ, בִּדְחִילוּ וּרְחִימוּ, וּרְחִימוּ וּדְחִילוּ, לְיַחֲדָא שֵׁם אוֹת יוּ”ד אוֹת הֵ”א בְּאוֹת וָא”ו אוֹת הֵ”א, בְּיִחוּדָא שְׁלִים בְּשֵׁם כָּל יִשְׂרָאֵל, לַאֲקָמָא שְׁכִינְתָּא מֵעַפְרָא וּלְעִלוּי שְׁכִינַת עֻזֵּנוּ:
    הֲרֵינִי מְקַבֵּל עָלַי אֱלָהוּתוּ יִתְבָּרַךְ וְאַהֲבָתוֹ וְיִרְאָתוֹ; וְהֲרֵינִי יָרֵא מִמֶנּוּ, בְּגִין דְּאִיהוּ רַב וְשַׁלִּיט עַל כֹּלָא, וְכֹלָּא קַמֵּהּ כְּלָא.
    וַהֲרֵינִי מַמְלִיכוֹ עַל כָּל אֵבֶר וְאֵבֶר וְגִיד וְגִיד מֵרַמַ”ח אֵבָרִים וְשְׁסָ”ה גִידִים שֶׁל גּוּפִי וְנַפְשִׁי רוּחִי וְנִשְׁמָתִי, מַלְכוּת גְּמוּרָה וּשְׁלֵמָה. וַהֲרֵינִי עֶבֶד לַשֵּׁם יִתְבָּרַךְ, וְהוּא בְרַחֲמָיו יְזַכֵּנִי לְעָבְדוֹ בְלֵב שָׁלֵם וְנֶפֶשׁ חֲפֵצָה. אָמֵן כֵּן יְהִי רָצוֹן:

    Behold I accept upon myself the Divinity of the Blessed One, & His love & His awe. And behold I am in awe of Him because he is the master & decisor over all, & all is before Him
    רִבּוֹנוֹ שֶׁל עוֹלָם:
    הֲרֵינִי מוֹחֵל וְסוֹלֵחַ לְכָל מִי שֶׁהִכְעִיס וְהִקְנִיט אוֹתִי, אוֹ שֶׁחָטָא כְּנֶגְדִּי בֵּין בְּגוּפִי, בֵּין בְּמָמוֹנִי, בֵּין בִּכְבוֹדִי, בֵּין בְּכָל אֲשֶׁר לִי, בֵּין בְּאֹנֶס בֵּין בְּרָצוֹן, בֵּין בְּשׁוֹגֵג בֵּין בְּמֵזִיד, בֵּין בְּדִבּוּר בֵּין בְּמַעֲשֶׂה, בֵּין בְּגִלְגּוּל זֶה בֵּין בְּגִלְגּוּל אַחֵר, לְכָל בֶּן אָדָם, וְלֹא יֵעָנֵשׁ שׁוּם אָדָם בְּסִיבָּתִי:
    יְהִי רָצוֹן מִלְפָנֶיךָ ה’ אֱלֹקַי וְאֱלֹקֵי אֲבוֹתַי שֶׁלֹא אֶחֱטָא עוֹד וְלֹא אֶחֱזֹר בָּהֶם, וְלֹא אָשׁוּב עוֹד לְהַכְעִיסֶךָ וְלֹא אֶעֱשֶׂה הָרַע בְּעֵינֶיךָ, וּמָה שֶּׁחָטָאתִי לְפָנֶיךָ מְחֹק בְּרַחֲמֶיךָ הָרַבִּים, אֲבָל לֹא עַל יְדֵי יִסוּרִים וְחֳלָיִם רָעִים:
    יִהְיוּ לְרָצוֹן אִמְרֵי פִי וְהֶגְיוֹן לִבִּי לְפָנֶיךָ, ה’ צוּרִי וְגֹאֲלִי:
    Master of the Universe:
    Behold I forgive & pardon anyone who has angered me or antagonized me, or who has sinned against me, whether in relation to my body, or my money, or my honor, or anything that pertains to me;
    whether done compulsively or willingly; whether accidentally or deliberately; whether through words or through actions; whether in this present incarnation, or in another incarnation – any human being. And may no person be punished because of me.
    May it be Your will, my G·d, & G·d of my ancestors, that I not sin again, and that I not be remembered by these sins.
    May I never again return to behavior that angers You, nor do what You perceive to be wrong.
    And any ways I have sinned before You, with Your abundant mercies please erase — though not by means of suffering or terrible illnesses.
    May the expressions of my mouth & the thoughts of my heart find favor before You, G·d, my Rock & my Redeemer.

    I trully admire Kennedy courage and I believe the hardships his family went through perhaps have occured because their actions wouldn’t serve the tyranical DEEP STATE!

    #2183099
    Zetruth
    Participant

    Regarding ich bein berliner, interestly enough, he made a mistake and said ich bein ein berliner which apparently has a different meaning. I also believe that his intention was to spread a message of peace. Let’s not forget that the real berliners patrons during WW2 were RockFuhrer and Bush grand father, not Kennedy.

    #2183101
    Zetruth
    Participant

    This guy doesn’t let the deep state nazis messing around him, he exposed them, very often at his own expense and quite francky, I respect that.

    #2183125
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    Commonsaychel,

    How do you know he wasn’t talking about the RFK?

    #2183140
    Ex-CTLawyer
    Participant

    Another spoiled rich kid who should keep his mouth shut

    #2183160
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Ze,

    Just because he let himself believe there were people out to get him that did not actually get him, it doesn’t mean I have to believe he did anything worth honoring him.

    #2183163
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Hey, I’m not rich!

    #2183166
    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    He did some good work decades ago on water quality and other environmental issues. Then, somehow, he went off the deep end with all sorts of conspiracy theories, aside from just the anti-vax meshugaas.

    #2183169

    Yeridas hadoros, the old ones really knew how to party (Nazi or otherwise). Current one is stum a meshugane.

    #2183176
    Zetruth
    Participant

    What was honorable was to speak the truth about the pandemic like no one else did. Can anyone explain me why people in general get more interested in those who are mocking them, hurting them, destroying their lives etc?? Maybe they know the phenomena and this is how they get elected, the more scandals, tve more attention and et voila! You are now president.. Stupidity at its height!

    #2183191
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    When and where did he speak the truth?? [How was it true before he spoke of it?]

    #2183195
    commonsaychel
    Participant

    @Coffee, The RFK is even worse, the traffic backs up for miles

    #2183207

    Zetruth, emes is Hashem’s signet, please don’t assign you to your favorite kook, just because Hashem and authorities dared to inconvenience your lifestyle

    #2183420
    akuperma
    Participant

    Which Kennedy? John (reasonable), Joseph Sr. (not so nice but his kids tried hard to make up for it), the airport, the Senator from Louisiana, Robert and Teddy, the subsequent generations (poster childen for why nepotism is a bad idea), etc.

    #2183573
    AviraDeArah
    Participant

    Zetruth…where to begin…

    Cursing is something chazal say not to take lightly, the curse of a simple person, or his blessing. (Megilah 16, a, statement pf rebbe eliezer in the name of rebbe chanina)

    All the more so the curse of a tzadik.

    And we see clearly from chumash how yaakov was worried about being cursed by yitzchok. There’s also a lo saaseh to curse another jew in chumash.

    So that premise is wrong.

    Now we get to your other premise, that we are supposed to forgive everyone and pray that no harm comes through us. B’nfol ouvecha al tismach, do not rejoice at the fall of your enemy, etc..

    That applies to yidden. When it comes to the umos haolam, we daven for our enemies downfall. Kel nekamos Hashem, etc… it’s all over our davening.

    We will never forgive hitler, for instance. I think you’d agree with that.

    And failing to save Jews is something that would definitely warrant a curse.

    #2183589
    Zetruth
    Participant

    Gagola dora it wasn’t a conspiracy, he’s the real deal

    #2183595
    Zetruth
    Participant

    Hashem told defend him regardless of all the lachon hara they will do on you and him

    #2183598
    Zetruth
    Participant

    And america treating Jews the way they are being treated you now you think its some sort of gift? Perhaps he told him that Jews shouln’t move to America for a reason…

    #2183666
    yaakov doe
    Participant

    This Kennedy running for President a kook

    #2183742
    ujm
    Participant

    This Kennedy is a lot better than Ted Kennedy ever was.

    #2183748

    Zetruth seem to be nuying lots of theories, mostly describing how bad America is bad to Jews restricting his, Zetruths’ freedoms, while presumably pining for some better times at other empires where we prospered. Can I ask you a question – did you have a world history class in the yeshiva, and if yes, what was your grade?

    #2183883
    Zetruth
    Participant

    A world history class? It’s best to travel the world and witness the reality of this world, dont’ you think so always ask questions?

    #2183884
    Zetruth
    Participant

    @ujm He’s the best ever.
    Kennedy: “Fox fires TuckerCarlson five days after he crosses the red line by acknowledging that the TV networks pushed a deadly and ineffective vaccine to please their Pharma advertisers. Carlson’s breathtakingly courageous April 19 monologue broke TV’s two biggest rules: Tucker told the truth about how greedy Pharma advertisers controlled TV news content and he lambasted obsequious newscasters for promoting jabs they knew to be lethal and worthless. For many years, Tucker has had the nation’s biggest audience averaging 3.5 million — 10 times the size of CNN. Fox just demonstrated the terrifying power of Big Pharma.”
    KENNEDY 24 !!! Bezrat Hashem!!!

    #2183945
    commonsaychel
    Participant

    What are your thoughts about Van Wyck?

    #2183957
    jackk
    Participant

    Why would a political nobody run against an incumbent President? Just because of his last name?

    #2183975
    commonsaychel
    Participant

    @jackk, that never stopped the Kennedy’s before, why start now?

    #2183983
    Zetruth
    Participant

    Jackk maybe because he wants to make a change?

    #2183994
    Zetruth
    Participant

    While RFK Jr.’s previous anti-vaccine remarks have stirred up some backlash, Tucker Carlson embraced Kennedy’s statements, even echoing them sometimes.

    During an episode of his show earlier this year, the now former Fox News anchor compared the vaccination campaign during the COVID-19 pandemic to “what the imperial Japanese army and the Nazis did in their medical experiments.”

    #2183996
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @Zetruth I don’t understand your comment. Carlson was fired because he said the same thing all Fox News opinion anchors have been repeating unending for the last 2.5 years?

    #2184008
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    “It’s best to travel the world and witness the reality of this world”

    So how much did you travel?

    #2184017
    emes nisht sheker
    Participant

    Not even sure what this thread is about but see someone praising some Fox News personality for speaking some truth… Just want to point out that Fox News has been outed as not caring about truth only about views. They will literally say anything to get you to watch even if internally they all admit it is outright lies. That you should even suggest anything out from them can be assumed to be truthful without fact-checking everything properly is so incredibly naïve.

    #2184071
    ujm
    Participant

    Jackk: Hilary was a bigger political nobody when she used her last name and husband to run for the Senate.

    #2184062
    Dan The
    Participant

    Was the Zionist, Illuminati, Rothchild, Deep State, Big Pharma also controlling Israel? Come on, Kennedy is a crazy conspiracy theorist grifter who started with the RMM vaccines and then continued his grift during Covid. There’s no basic rights in a pandemic to infect and hurt people. This is an utter disgrace!

    #2184107
    AviraDeArah
    Participant

    A broken clock is right twice a day

    A nutjob who touts innumerable conspiracy theories will get one right every few decades… So what?

    #2184118

    Is it interesting how certain people accumulate multiple weird opinions along their travels. Maybe RT has a travel show or something.

    #2184132
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    “What are your thoughts about Van Wyck?“

    Depends which way and which time of day
    But how is it pronounced wick or whyke?

    #2184136
    Zetruth
    Participant

    Always ask questions and nameSarah: let’s open a different topic on how well traveled we all are, always ask questions but try to stay relevant to the subject, I can tell you this tho: history classes must be corrected, it’s should be forbidden to lie to children by telling them ” a british landed with a parachute in Normandy and by doing so, hitler was defeated” What a shame. This evil was defeated by the russian army and not because one guy landed in a parachute in north of France.

    #2184197
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Coffee Addict,

    “Agnes Treuren, an officer in the Dutch Consulate in New York, insisted that both pronunciations were emphatically wrong. “It is ‘Fon Weig,’ with the last syllable pronounced like leg or beg,” she said”

    From an old NYT article

    #2184235
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Ujm,

    I think Jack is incorrect. But your statement is not any better.

    #2184240
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Ze,

    Can I assume that you are less traveled then I am?

    Your right it wasn’t just one paratrooper. It was over ten thousand drops.

    It is really hard to stay relevant to a subject that never happened.

    In your oddball opinions, what are the basic human rights?

    #2184340
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    @DaasYochid I knew a Dutch guy in Yeshiva in Israel once who would always correct everyone’s pronunciation of New York names, from Catskill to Harlem.

    #2184420
    Avram in MD
    Participant

    Always_Ask_Questions,

    “authorities dared to inconvenience your lifestyle”

    Oooh, you’re teaching a masterclass in gaslighting and emotional invalidation. If you think the pandemic response was merely an inconvenience for most people, then the only person who thinks we reside on the same planet is Avi Loeb over at Harvard.

    #2184424
    Avram in MD
    Participant

    n0mesorah,

    “In your oddball opinions, what are the basic human rights?”

    Based on the posting patterns, the “oddball opinions” may well be false-flag trolling.

    #2184429
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Avram,

    Possible. But look at the comments on the main site.

    It’s familiar. I can’t place the old username.

    #2184463
    jackk
    Participant

    WeloveourMesorah,

    What do you find incorrect about my post?
    Regarding ujm,
    Hillary ran for Senator from NY and was immediately the party nominee. She knew she was going to be nominated from the start and was drafted by the Democrats.

    Only after being the first lady for 8 years where she was active in many parts of the administration including healthcare overhaul, Senator for NY for 8 years, Secretary of State for 4 years, did she run for President.

    Only the republicans will nominate a non-politically experienced person for president and expect that it will turn out good.

    #2184487
    Zetruth
    Participant

    @Avram in MD thank you for bringing more decency to this topic, those are sensitive subjects, and I’m going to answer to always ask question, a law maker said that disrupting our lives the way rhey did, it’s called modern terrorrisme. It seems like some people don’t allow themselves to think.

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