- This topic has 52 replies, 26 voices, and was last updated 12 years, 5 months ago by .
-
Posts
-
Does anyone have any good and/or original ideas for what song to play when introducing the Choson and Kallah?
Here comes the bride?
Are you looking solely for Jewish music? If not, the themes from “Superman” or “Raiders of the Lost Ark” are great,
Great idea….. the night of kedusha and kiddushin and tahara and yichud wiht all its meanings and we introduce the Chosson and Kallah with secular movie theme songs. The neshamos of the previous doros of family who come to the Chassunah must be thrilled! The neshamos of the living must be overjoyed! Just like the music from Gan Eden.
Oid yishoma is nice…
if u don’t care if its jewish or not, the theme song from hawaii 5-0 is awesome! and btw, to whoever said not to use goyish music on this night, just letting you know that many of the intros are goyish, you probably don’t even notice.
The Olympic fanfare is nice and sounds really regal. Try googling “John Williams – Olympic Fanfare and Theme The Original 1984 Recording.wmv”
Anything by the band Skillet, What I’ve Done by Linkin Park, Master of Puppets S&M by Metallica, Going Up to Boston by Dropkick Murphys, Forever by Chris Brown, Disturbia by Rihanna…the list goes on. Many of these songs have already been stolen by jewish bands or singers so even those of you who only listen to “Jewish” music have heard them too, you just have no idea.
Great idea….. the night of kedusha and kiddushin and tahara and yichud wiht all its meanings and we introduce the Chosson and Kallah with secular movie theme songs. The neshamos of the previous doros of family who come to the Chassunah must be thrilled! The neshamos of the living must be overjoyed! Just like the music from Gan Eden. “
ALL the intros used in recent years for most Jewish weddings (I have not been to too many chassidish, so I cannot speak to that), have been SECULAR music. Od Yeshama is used to bring in the Chosson for badeken, and Vayehi Beyeshurun melech is used to take the chosson and kallah back to their table. The secular movie music happens to be exciting and powerful. They do not have lyrics. So what is the big deal? I would not be surprised if Jews composes those melodies.
sooo many intros are tunes to goyish music, you just don’t realize. My husband and i came in to a Sum 41 song, Fat Lip, the tunes was great it stars slow then gets really loud and instrumental. BTW it plays for about 15-20 seconds before the band picks up with the regular first dance music.
How about Flight of the Valkyries? or the Bach Toccata and Fugue in D Minor?
There’s a lovely old Invei Hagefen B’Invei Hagefen by Avrohom Fried I always liked. Also nice is the classic Siman Tov Umazel Tov Siman Tov Umazel Tov…..
many of the intros are goyish, you probably don’t even notice
I noticed. It’s a shanda, as RABBAIM pointed out. True, we’re desensitized to it, but that doesn’t make it right.
Shipping Up to Boston by Dropkick Murphys
RABEIM!! A1!!!!!
I realize there’s a lack of consensus on this topic. My own two cents- it hurts my ears and my heart when i hear the heavy metal beat and sounds of songs from people like Rihanna, Chris Brown, etc at the wedding of a newly minted, young, frum couple starting out on their journey to build a bayis ne’eman.
I’ll agree with RABBAIM here as well. Make it something meaningful & personal. And NO CHRIS BROWN! THAT is a bad segulah, Chas V’Shalom (Or Rihanna for that matter. Mamash a Shanda!)
You could always use the intro from Journeys, Vol. 4, “The Band”.
If you like “The Band” then you’ll probably like Van Halen’s “Right Now” even more. However the only band you should have doing this intro is one that you’ve seen do it well before (on YouTube etc.). Not everyone does it well.
Nice 🙂 good chap
Could someone explain why it’s such a horrible thing to play present day secular music but it’s perfectly fine to play “nigunnim” that are from Russian and Polish marches?
It’s somehow better to have music from people who marched to kill our ancestors playing in the background at a wedding?
Interesting.
@toi, that one’s good too
the intro to asher bara by lev tahor is also powerful and majestic. i’d have that one if the band wont do ship me up to boston 🙂
dance macabre?
I was at wedding of chasidishe couple , they had ten man band, band members with chasidic garb and when chassan and kallah came in, they played Lady Gaga!! Watch on you tube! Lady gaga Jewish wedding.
concerned member: It’s got nothing at all to do with the composer. It’s the genre of the music.
The older classical tunes, are more refined, play less to your animalistic side and more to your higher self. They were composed usually to be played in royal and aristocratic circles
Modern day pop music is the continuing legacy started by the blues, jazz, and then the rock’n’roll movement which have their cultural roots in the tribal dances of Africa (with all the idol-worship connotations that comes with – although that’s not my point.). The discernible difference is the drumbeat and rhythm focus (think mantras [again idol-worship connotations] think rap),rather than a focus on melody and harmony.
A beautiful piece of classical music or anything modern-day similar to that genre can move you to tears as it speaks to your emotions. Rock music just makes you want to throw away your spiritually inspired inhibitions.
At my wedding, they played For Whom the Bell Tolls by Metallica when we walked in.
IIRC, at SJSinNYC’s wedding, they played the theme from Transformers when they walked in.
on the ball –
The discernible difference is the drumbeat and rhythm focus (think mantras [again idol-worship connotations] think rap),rather than a focus on melody and harmony.
Funny, all the ????? ??????? going on in Tanach make me think that there were times when they weren’t particularly interested in melody and harmony then either.
I don’t believe any genre of music is inherently good or bad. If “rock music just makes you want to throw away your spiritually inspired inhibitions” as you say, it’s because of the lyrical content, not the music. V’ha raya contemporary Christian music uses rock music (among every other popular genre) to promote many universally meaningful ideas. If you know enough music you realize that this idea of music being good or bad is all hype. Not just if you know enough about music, but if you know enough music.
To On the BAll:
Do you think Berlioz plays less to the animalistic side and more to the higher self?
@yentingyenta – I’m pretty sure that song is “Rock you like a hurricane” by the scorpions.
Also, try Crazy Train by Ozzy
@MCP, i googled it and just listened to it. to me it sounds a little similar but still very different. could be others here it as more similar
yentingyenta – Look for the version with the Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra, that’s where Lev Tahor took it from.
Yitayningwut:
Not sure what you’re trying to prove from the ‘Tupim Um’cholos’. Percussion accompanying refined melodious and uplifting tunes – no issue there.
Also not sure what contemporary christian evangalistic rock music proves except possibly that like modern Jewish singers, they too have also lost their way in this field. I read once that many christian leaders decry this trend themselves.
Re your last points. Nobody said anything about good or bad. It’s about materialistic and animalistic vs spiritualistic and emotive.
And finally, it’s not hype and no, you do not need to know enough music – in fact your repertoire of music can be limited to nursery rhymes – and you will still be able to tell that gangsta-rap and heavy metal is more prost and unrefined (even ignoring the lyrics) than Bach and Mozart. The differences amongst the genres in between while at first less obvious are still true.
Yussel: – please explain the point you are making?
i stand corrected. but i still like the lev tahor version more
Here comes the bride, tall fat and wide
Here comes the groom, skinny as a broom
on the ball –
Not sure what you’re trying to prove from the ‘Tupim Um’cholos’. Percussion accompanying refined melodious and uplifting tunes – no issue there.
Also not sure what contemporary christian evangalistic rock music proves except possibly that like modern Jewish singers, they too have also lost their way in this field. I read once that many christian leaders decry this trend themselves.
Re your last points. Nobody said anything about good or bad. It’s about materialistic and animalistic vs spiritualistic and emotive.
And finally, it’s not hype and no, you do not need to know enough music – in fact your repertoire of music can be limited to nursery rhymes – and you will still be able to tell that gangsta-rap and heavy metal is more prost and unrefined (even ignoring the lyrics) than Bach and Mozart. The differences amongst the genres in between while at first less obvious are still true.
Chochma bagoyim Taamin. Kedusha Bagoyim AL TAAMIN!
(If someone tells you that non jews have wisdom, that can be believed. BUT THEY have no connection to kedusha!!!)
Let’s keep the night of Kiddushin filled with Kedusha!
At least on this MOtzai Yom Kippur of theirs where they are given entry into the yichud of the Kodesh Kodashim, we should keep it filled with Nigunei Simcha of Kedusha!
“How about Flight of the Valkyries?”
Oh good grief!!!
Yitayningwut:
You’ve conveniently ignored the ‘Mecholos’ and have also for some unknown reason assumed the tune was African style.
“Also not sure what contemporary christian evangalistic rock music proves except possibly that like modern Jewish singers, they too have also lost their way in this field. I read once that many christian leaders decry this trend themselves.”
Point taken. I assumed when you spoke about christian music you were referring to the evangelist music. Doesn’t detract from my argument though.
Again point taken. I admit to nit-picking.
I’m not talking about the lyrics. I am talking about the tune. And I don’t believe you if you say rap and heavy metal TUNES inspire you. I simply do not believe it. Your statement that my argument is circular is meaningless because if you read my post you will see that I wasn’t trying to prove anything. I simply asserted my belief on this issue.
Kedusha Bagoyim AL TAAMIN!
Nice. You made up a saying and then made up a nice vort to go with it.
nitpicker +1
Sure Bach if you fancy, beautiful, but Wagner at a chuppah!
TO On the ball:
I’m saying that even when it comes to classical music, one needs to examine it closely to see if it’s appropriate for a “frum” person.
to nitpicker:
It was a joke!!!
Yes, “I made up a saying” Kedusha Bagoyim AL TAAMIN!
The Maharal and Shelah explain that one of the underlying reasons of the statement TORAH BAGOYIM AL TAAMIN is because they have no connection to Kedusha. Pure chol Hamavdil bain Kodesh Lchol ….. bai Yisroel Laamim. The difference between us is evident and blatant and we need to strengthen the greatness of Kedusha otherwise we fall to……
So, Kedusha Bagoyim AL TAAMIN! is an idea which exists……… THAT I did not make uop. Finally, is the “nice vort” incorrect? That is the ikar of the message! Or are you just correctly noticing that the accuracy of the “quote-non quote” is incorrect?
tahini, my sentiments exactly. The ignorance displayed by some people regarding music is astounding. Wagner displayed blatant anti-semitism in his writings and in themes in his operas. I would rather play the kazoo by myself than have anything by Wagner play at a family simcha.
My concern is that people are so quick to despise anything “modern” that everything else falls by the wayside. It’s a shame.
on the ball –
You’ve conveniently ignored the ‘Mecholos’ and have also for some unknown reason assumed the tune was African style.
Mecholos means dancing. Bongos and dancing. I didn’t ignore anything. My assumption is simply a reflection of the observation that the only instrument they cared for was a drum.
I’m not talking about the lyrics. I am talking about the tune. And I don’t believe you if you say rap and heavy metal TUNES inspire you. I simply do not believe it. Your statement that my argument is circular is meaningless because if you read my post you will see that I wasn’t trying to prove anything. I simply asserted my belief on this issue.
Without lyrics, tunes reflect whatever mood I am in. It’s like the clickety-clack of a train, if you’re in a good mood it feels rhythmic and if you’re in a bad mood it’s annoying. Similarly, if I hear a song with a wild beat with no words, it all depends on what mood I’m in. It doesn’t make me feel less spiritually connected at all. But you can believe what you want. My personal conjecture is that people who feel like being ‘bad’ when they hear wild music do so because they associate the two in their minds. If one would have lived in eighteenth-century Poland where the counts played klezmer music at their crude parties, one would associate klezmer with crudeness. But there is nothing intrinsically un-spiritual about any form of music. But that’s just my conjecture.
TO Concerned Member and Tahini:
ONCE AGAIN. My suggestion about Wagner was A JOKE!!! So was the suggestion about the Tocatta and fugue. Lighten up
For a Ungarische chasunah, Liszt’s Hungarian Rhapsody No 2?
REBBAIM: Don’t you see you’re talking to deaf ears. These people tand the kedusha of a frum chasanah or the tumah in non Jewish music!
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.