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  • #1859608
    commonsaychel
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    Someone filed Freedom of Information form to get the names of the people who were turning in people who violated covid19 rules, They put the information on a spreadsheet and posted it on the web

    #1859664
    Joseph
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    Which city, town or municipality did this occur in? How did the agency (whoever it is) know the identity of the complainer, assuming they accept anonymous complaints?

    #1859697
    commonsaychel
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    The entire Washington state, the agency asked them to leave the contact information including emails, all of that is allowed under FOIL. some of the complaints were anonymous most were not

    #1859736
    n0mesorah
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    Some people watch too much television and get paranoid. Others who watch too much, go bankrupt, avoid paying taxes and get elected President.

    #1859764
    commonsaychel
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    and some people comment even if they are not old enough to vote

    #1859832
    Abba_S
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    In NYC when you call in a compliant whether it’s to 911 or 311 the operator asks and records the name and telephone number. Even if you call Hatzalah and don’t speak to an operator they will automatically call you back to verify everything is okay, so your phone number is recorded automatically. When this is over lawyers will sue the city for attempting to close back yard and or porch minyanium, at which time all this information will be revealed.

    #1859884
    n0mesorah
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    and some people post news without giving a clear opinion.

    #1860030
    commonsaychel
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    @Abba, You don’t need to be a lawyer to file a foil, you just ask for the records anyone can do it.
    @n0m, you want my opinion on this? I think if your going to report on someone be prepared to have your name exposed so the people know all about you. If you cant handle that then don’t report your friends and neighbors

    #1860037
    Amil Zola
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    WA state has some very militant anti distancing/anti confinement advocates. These are the folks who showed up at the state capitol carrying nazi flags and weapons. At their rally at the end of April leaders advocated that their followers use FOIA as a means of finding out who is turing in folks for violating confinement/distancing orders. This has been extensively covered in PNW news outlets. It is not just happening in WA but in ID and OR as well.

    #1860047
    Amil Zola
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    I want to add that Glenn Morgan who is the person behind the FOIA requests made by ‘We the Governed’ has a rather unsavory history of harassment of public and private citizens. Among his allies are the Proud Boys who are known anti semites and a well known hate group here in the PNW.

    #1860086
    commonsaychel
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    @amil, a broken clock is right two times a day

    #1860127
    Amil Zola
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    Commonsaychel are you defending the tactics of Morgan and his followers?

    #1860187
    commonsaychel
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    Amil Zola, I have a deep feeling of disgust of one person ratting out his friends and neighbors, and sunlight is the best disinfectant, if your going to rat then be prepared that your friends and neighbors know what type of person you are.
    Frankly I could not care less if the person exposing these people are Morgan on the right or Mark Bray of Antifa on the Left.
    Sadly history is filled with stories of people who were “concerned public citizens” and ratted on the neighbors to Franco and Nazis of the right and KGB, NKVD and Maoism on the left.

    #1860257
    huju
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    Re nOmesorah’s comment about watching television: Best comment of the month.

    #1860258
    huju
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    Re amil zola comment: Here in the Northeast, Glenmorgan is a well-regarded single-malt Scotch whiskey.

    #1860291
    Amil Zola
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    Huju, if that were the case here in the PNW I’d be doing a happy dance. Mr. Morgan, the Proud Boys and the 3%ers descended on my little town in an attempt to intimidate our local Jewish population (which is rather small). We had just purchased land for a new school and synagogue. His minions were able to get a hold of a copy of the congregations directory. Many of us were followed, harassed and had anti semitic epithets painted on sidewalks and vehicles.

    Common Saychel can have his opinion, Morgan’s minions have never stood on his doorstep yelling ‘death to Jews’. But here and now I will always rat out a neo nazi or racist. And like the last time, if they come to my door I will be armed.

    #1860321
    Amil Zola
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    Common Saychel , just a point of information,none of these cretins are my friends, neighbors or community members.

    #1860336
    Joseph
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    Amil: What if you’re legally armed and they’re legally armed. And they outnumber you.

    #1860356
    commonsaychel
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    Amil guess what the very same things happened right here in Rockland and who intimidating the people? the left wingers and the conservationist, sadly we get hate on both sides,

    #1860447
    Abba_S
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    Yes you can submit a freedom of information request with the NYPD the only problem is that there are thousands of compliant made each day in NYC about social distancing and each compliant is on a different page each page cost $.25. It can be very expensive so unless you are making money out of it, I don’t think you should put in the request.

    #1860457
    Amil Zola
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    Well Joseph you make a fine point. I live in an open carry state and for many years had a concealed carry permit. One of the first things taught in a carry class is that you can lose your permit for brandishing. My shotgun kept the racists in place long enough for the cops to come and arrest them. Oh and they did outnumber me.

    #1860468
    commonsaychel
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    @Abba, I know of a few wealth people who would fund the .25 a copy for the 66, 70, and 90 and its only since march properly only like $1000.
    @Amil lets concentrate on the message not on the messenger, for example the NAACP decided to stage a blockade of the local kosher supermarket right before Shabbos to inconvenience frum Jews, we can sadly find fault with a lot of groups, lets talk about tattling on your neighbors not whos idea this was,

    #1860480
    Joseph
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    Amil: Arrested on what charge?

    #1860548
    Amil Zola
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    Joseph, hate crime, disturbing the peace, harassment and trespass. Same as what they were charged with at 8 other houses they chose to ‘visit’ under the guise of ‘outreach’.

    Common, their message is/was clear, I mean really how else does one interpret ‘death to Jews’? The messenger is tarred simply because of the message. Frankly I’m merely explaining my position based on my first hand experience with a hate group. I will continue to judge Morgan and his minions based on their actions and of course their publicly stated mission.

    #1860522
    n0mesorah
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    Dear Common,
    Agreed! With friends and neighbors there almost never a good enough reason to report. There is little gain in reporting strangers for gathering during this pandemic. But we got shown up a bit here. Would you report a neo nazi?

    #1860570
    Joseph
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    Amil: Which hate crime was committed that didn’t fall under the rubric of free speech?

    How was the charges against them finally resolved? Conviction/jail, dismissal?

    How did your shotgun keep them in place long enough for the cops to come?

    #1860612
    commonsaychel
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    @Amil, I was curious about the incident that you had, I went onto the ADL Seattle chapter website and there was no listing of such an event going back to 2015, that stuff would have made the report.
    FYI, there was a fatal stabbing in Monsey on Chanukah and a double murder in Jersey City and numerous assaults’ in NYC perpetuated by, drumroll please, African Americans, NAACP organized a blockade of the frum stores on Friday Afternoon,
    A African American group would amass on the lawns of local frum school board members an harass them, therefore……….. Nothing.

    #1860614
    commonsaychel
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    @n0m for violating some rule, no I would not

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