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September 8, 2013 4:14 am at 4:14 am #610531elikParticipantSeptember 8, 2013 4:26 am at 4:26 am #973214147Participant
Since Tashlich is a Minhag performed on Rosh haShono, how can one be Mechalel Yom Tov [an Issur mi’d’Orraisso] by driving a car, just to fulfill a Minhag of Tashlich?
September 8, 2013 4:43 am at 4:43 am #973215jewishfeminist02MemberSome do Tashlich during aseres y’mei teshuvah.
September 8, 2013 5:03 am at 5:03 am #973216elikParticipantmany people go during the week of aseres yemai tesuva
no reason to get sarcastic when im trying to help other yidden
September 8, 2013 5:08 am at 5:08 am #973217WIYMemberElik
Does it help if you have a handicapped parking plaque? Or will they still tow us?
September 8, 2013 5:43 am at 5:43 am #973218elikParticipantthey will prob tow you the lot is for shopping only
September 8, 2013 10:18 am at 10:18 am #973219Shopping613 ðŸŒParticipantI remember last year there were tonz of threads on this, i think they found out that they arent doing this legally and every few months change their name so they wont get caught……
September 8, 2013 1:18 pm at 1:18 pm #973221ubiquitinParticipantSince Tashlich is a Minhag performed, how can one be over gezeila [an Issur mi’d’Orraisso] by parking on someone’s private property, just to fulfill a Minhag of Tashlich?
September 8, 2013 2:46 pm at 2:46 pm #973222LevAryehMemberI don’t see the problem; just throw the aveirah of g’zeilah into the river.
September 8, 2013 3:32 pm at 3:32 pm #973223doverinMemberSeptember 8, 2013 6:01 pm at 6:01 pm #973224ubiquitinParticipantdoverin
According to almost all kofin doesnt mean you can force, it means beis din.
secondly speaking of midas sedom, please dont justify trespassing. You are in a rush and dont care about rules governing private property? Gezuntehiet. Please dont drei the Torah to justify it
September 8, 2013 7:33 pm at 7:33 pm #973225LevAryehMemberdoverin: You’re probably right that it’s not gezailah; see Tosafos to Bava Kama 62b d”h ???? ?????? ??? at the end.
Kofin al midas sedom would only apply after the fact; we do indeed pasken (Rambam hil. Gezailah 3:9) that zeh neh’neh v’zeh ain chaser is patur (from paying), and according to the P’nei Yehoshua on Tosafos on 20a in Bava Kama that would be the reasoning – kofin oso al midas sedom.
See Tosafos on 20b (d”h ?? ???????) as to why kofin oso al midas sedom is a comletely independent din when it’s concerning preventing someone from parking there than when it applies to making them pay after the fact.
The Rambam does not say (correct me if I’m wrong) whether or not Gezel Akum is asur, but the Gemara in Bava Kama on 113b discusses it (saying it’s assur), and the Rambam leaves it out.
In the first halacha in hilchos Genaivah, though, he paskens that genaivas akum is assur mid’oraysah.
September 8, 2013 9:06 pm at 9:06 pm #973226TheGoqParticipantThe store has a parking lot so that CUSTOMERS can use it to shop at their store if you are not using the parking spot for the purpose of shopping at that store that seems to me be like stealing.
September 9, 2013 12:52 am at 12:52 am #973227elikParticipanthave seen ppl begging for their cars back then the mafia says 200 bucks or else
September 9, 2013 1:31 am at 1:31 am #973228TheGoqParticipantElik there are plenty of other places to go do tashlich the store has every right to use their parking lot for their customers only.
September 9, 2013 1:52 am at 1:52 am #973229elikParticipantagree im not saying they should allow cars to park for tashlich
just warning people that wont see their little signs they hang up
where else do people go for tashlich??
September 9, 2013 2:09 am at 2:09 am #973230TheGoqParticipantI dont know where else they can go but alot of Brooklyn is surrounded by water figure something out. They have until Hoshana Rabba so take a chol hamoed trip somewhere with water.
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