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I learnt (a long time ago) that one should not walk in socks (i.e. without shoes) if there parents are still alive. Does anyone know the source and reason for this?
The kohanim did it all the time and will again. And they walked completely barefoot.
I think its because in an beis avel they dont wear shoes
I hope its just a minhag or superstition, because I never wear shoes or slippers in the house! Second I’m in the door, the shoes come off
I think its one of those heebie-jeebie things.
I think it is more out of the idea that this is a style of aveilus, so it’s like tempting an ayin hara to do so. Is there really a law about it????? And we cannot go by Kohanim. They did MANY things that the rest of us are not permitted to do.
First of all, it is improper to do this for other reasons. “one should conduct himself in the house the way he would in the street.” It is improper to make drastic chages in your appearence right when you come home, and this is the first “step” to “chitzonah me’oror es hapnim”!
I agree w/ oomis1105, as I do many times & I think I should play her in the upcoming YWN-CR movie! 😉
so you sleep with your coat?…
conducting at home like on the street means having the same level of erlichkeit even when nobody sees.
ho…this meshugenah just doesn’t wear a coat outside 😛
I think this only applies in public places where everyone wears shoes. I doubt this is a problem in the house.
never heard of it
I heard that it’s a minhag by some to wear shoes/slippers, but in my family we’re just makpid not barefoot-wearing just socks it fine 🙂
This is certainly a minhag amongst hungarian jews, and it is- as said by some of the posters-because an “avel” cannot wear shoes and hence, we don’t-chas vesholom-want to look like we are in aveilus,either because of an “ayin horah” or because we don’t want the “kitrug” (accusation). As a matter of fact, from the gemoro it seems that the amoraim wore special socks for shabbos as they would go barefoot all week long.
Always here…are you sure that the reason that you always agree with Oomis is because you might be infected with Josephitis and may be Oomis??? Just a thought(and a joke…for those who have no sense of humor).
“I agree w/ oomis1105, as I do many times & I think I should play her in the upcoming YWN-CR movie! 😉 “
I give my haskama 😉 Thank you, Always here.
Sender Av – let me state for the record and in no uncertain terms – I have only one screen name and do not believe in posting under more than one, and the only itis I have is osteoarthr-itis. I guarantee you NO ONE wants that from me! 🙂
Many people had dirt floors until a few generations ago. You’d definitely would have wanted to wear shoes then.
Rav Ovadia Yosef says that if the minhag hamokom is to greet respectable people w/o shoes, then you can daven w/o shoes. Based on a Gemara towards the end of Berachot (between 61 and 63). Clearly socks-only is not prohibited from halacha.
“the only itis I have is osteoarthr-itis”
I picked up on that on another thread, & felt kinship.
“Not walking around in socks” in the home would be a great problem for the people in Canada and very cold climates.
I know whenever I visit Montrealin the winter,
it is absolute etiquette and almost a RULE to remove your boots or
shoes when entering someones house…so that you don’t drag the snow, salt and dirty slush into the house. I can’t imagine that all the thousands of people who do this would be breaking Halacha.
My father was always makpid about this!
He said something about losing ones parents. I guess like others mentioned it has something to do with Aveilus. Mustn’t be directly realted since avelim do wear shoes just not leather ones..
I now know that since we have Hungarian origin that is why we are makpid and my husbands family isn’t.. It leaves me to institute it in our home.. which I do try to do!
There are those that don’t walk around with socks on Motzei Shabbos, because an avel removes his shoes after Shabbos and walks around with socks.
Health –
first of all, don’t say Lashon Hara about millions, besides which how do you know which minhag is correct?
second of all I (loosely) quoted a source from the Gemara, which Rav Ovadia quotes (better than I can)
My point in quoting him was not for telling people halacha leMaase, but to quote a source and a posek to point out that we are talking about minhag hamakom. Different Kehillot developed different minhagim.
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The Tur in Orech Chaim (siman 91) poskens that since it is not customary to stand in front of dignitaries and heads of state while barefoot, one should not daven barefoot.
The Bais Yosef writes that from the language of the Tur we can deduce that in countries where it is customary to be barefoot even before dignitaries and heads of state, such as Arabic countries, it would be permitted to daven barefoot.
We have plenty of Minhagim apparently based on neighbors. What is customary among both Sephardim and Muslims most likely stems from the fact that they shared a region and a culture for a very long time. Neither is really based on the other probably.
Health, Are you sure the word is Booveris?? My grandmother used to say Boorvesig
My parents said “boorvesdik” and we were never allowed to go in our socks. They always said it was a sign of aveilis.
notI and others-clearly it seems to be a minhag in hungarian jewish circles.btw notI–aveilim never wore shoes and only today when we have plastic do aveilim wear shoes.
lastly- “boorvesdik” and similar expressions mean “bare feet” yiddish-german sounds a lot like english! (boer-fiss,got it?)
yes they are very much alike, keep in mind that in German a “v” is pronounced like an “f” in English.
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