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Rebbizen -“For a GOY – it was never ossur to eat human flesh according to many Rishonim and poskim.”
Name them!
From Aish.com:
This would apply to a Goy also.
“Rabbi Moshe Shemuel Glasner (1856-1924) writes in the introduction of his Dor HaRevi’i to Chullin that if one has the option to consume human flesh or non-kosher meat, even though the former is at most prohibited by a positive commandment, while the latter is prohibited by a more stringent negative commandment, it is preferable to consume the animal flesh. This stems from meta-halachic concerns which he discusses there at length. The primary issue is that cannibalism is something which ought to be repulsive to us even sans technicalities, and is to be avoided even at the expense of the prohibition of forbidden meat.”My waiter answered me when I pointed it out to him: “Sorry, but I have an infection in my finger and my doctor told me to soak it in warm water”
Rebbitzen -“These DiRabbonon prohibition)s do NOT apply to goyim”
All the Shittos that you brought is by Jews. The Shitah that I brought above, would apply by Goyim also.
Do you know the Dinim of Mitzvos by Goyim? I think it was discussed even here in the CR.“Somewhere in the discussion you missed that ”
nope I missed no such thing. you said that if something is not strictly assur the it was automatically ok . and that to suggest otherwise was saying “that the Torah “missed” some moral guidelines and prohibitions that we (laymen – not Rabbonon) need to add”
“eating human meat (which many Rishonim and poskim say is muttar).”
source please.” is there a daas Torah that says a Goy needs to work on his middos”
Um yes. I dont have the exact mareh makom off hand, but there is a medrash how in sedom they would all steal less than a shava peruta so that none of them technically “stole” The point of this is how bad they were. I guess you understand that as hey that was a pretty clever work around . (I dont recall the source of hand, and I’m not sure how it fits with the fact that even less than a shiur is assur for a goy ) I also recall how they are praised for cutting off feet to fit in bed very smart tactics.
“are you asking if GOY must act lifnei meshuras hadin or if a GOY has the mitzva assay of Kedoshim Tihyou?”
nope didnot ask that.
I DID ask : “A goy being meanes an unmarried woman. Are you ok with that too?”
(for the 4th time know) You have this habit of ignoring questions that disprove your silly theory, I noticed that you didn’t answer I’m not sure why you think ignoring them makes them go away“What you wrote simply does not conform with real Das Torah.”
Ah but I spoke to super daas torah which trumps das Torah.“The Rashba and the Ritvah opine,like the Ramban, that it is permitted to eat human meat.”
Yeah um this is pure am haaratzos, since without question it is assur for a Jew to have haanah from a mes. So no they do not hold it is permitted to eat human meat. Though they do hold it isnt included in a specific issur.
Ubiq,
What is the punishment for a Jew who is meanes a divorced Jewess?Rebbitzin -“You also mix up the d’rabbonon for a Jew with a goy – who has no issur at all”
I’m waiting for Ubiq to reply. If he doesn’t, then I will.
Ubiq -“Yeah um this is pure am haaratzos”
This is one thing that I’ll agree with him.
Would you have been more satisfied to find a mouse doing a backstroke in your soup?
Rebbitzin -“For a GOY – it was never ossur to eat human flesh according to many Rishonim and poskim.”
“And I am waiting for Moshiach.”While I’m waiting – Rebbitzin, did you ever hear of 30 Mitzvos Bnai Noach?
““pure am haaratzos”: is there pure and impure am haaratzos?”
Yes some times it is adulterated with a bit of lomdus, not in this case.
“because I never encountered “pure” am haaratzus, ”
Wait no longer:
“The Rashba and the Ritvah opine,like the Ramban, that it is permitted to eat human meat.”That line was pure am haaratzos they do not hold it is permitted to eat human meat.
“I’m waiting for Ubiq to reply. If he doesn’t, then I will.”
I’m not sure what i am supposed to reply to.Kluger yid addressed a question to me , but It should be addressed to the rebetzin. It is similar to the question I asked 4 times that has yet to be answered
Here it is for the 5th time ” “A goy being meanes an unmarried woman. Are you ok with that too?””as to your silly last comment , youve lost the train of conversation, let me sort you ut a bit
you said “You mix up d’oraysa (which they hold there is no issur min haTorah) with d’rabbonon. You also mix up the d’rabbonon for a Jew with a goy” No I mixed up no such thing, and no, and no rishon holds eating human meat is “permitted”We are not discussing if their is a technical issur and whether it is deoryasa or derababon. The question is if it is “ok” You said that as long as there isnt a technical issur then it was automatically ok.
THIs is what we are now discussing, this led me to my question here it is again: “A goy being meanes an unmarried woman. Are you ok with that too?”
while you are at it, you can answer Kluger yid’s question too, specifically is it “ok” “Jew who is meanes a divorced Jewess”?Ubiq -““I’m waiting for Ubiq to reply. If he doesn’t, then I will.”
I’m not sure what i am supposed to reply to.”YOU DID IT!
Right here:“Wait no longer:
“The Rashba and the Ritvah opine,like the Ramban, that it is permitted to eat human meat.”
That line was pure am haaratzos they do not hold it is permitted to eat human meat.”If he continues – I have what to answer!
How about Am haaretz sh’ain lo shiyur?Rebbitzen -“Please share the 23 I never heard of.”
I figured you didn’t, because you’re an Am Haaretz! So go ask your RH. He gets paid to teach you Torah, I don’t.
בחולין צב ע”א: “עולא אמר: אלו שלושים מצוות שקבלו עליהם בני נח, ואין מקיימין אלא שלשה. אחת שאין כותבים כתובה אלא לזכרים) כלומר שלא העיזו למסד זוגיות במסגרת נשואין). ואחת שאין שוקלין בשר המת במקולין. ואחת שמכבדין את התורה.”
R. G.
Watch your fingers
Your calling a Gemara a joke??
You can troll all you want
You can incite all you want.
But watch yourself before you start to call a gemora a joke.
Shame on you.You want to say that’s not what it means.
Go ahead. Offer an alternate explanation. However lame. But don’t you dare come on and call a gemora a joke.
Afra lipumacha !!!Would the OP prefer a fly? Would the OP be OK with the soup if it were her husband’s finger?
The second mitzvah listed there is “. ואחת שאין שוקלין בשר המת במקולין”
Too bad they didint know the Rebbetzin’s psak that human meat is “ok” to eat
Actually that specific one would indicate that it is OK to eat. Just they only sold it privately
Rebitizin -“Ha, these aren’t chiyuvim “obligations” that they were commanded, nor is it listed in Rambam or those that count the Sheva (that means “seven”) Mitzvos Bnei Noach.”
I’d call you an Apikorus, but in order to get that title – you need to know a lot.
So you’re just an Am Haaretz.
So there are Gaonim that explain the 30 Mitzvos.
It basically comes out that the 30 Mitzvos are D’Orysah, some positive, some negative.
They classify the 30 as Toldos from the 7.Rebbetzin
“they only don’t do so very PUBLICLY, ”
Lol
why not? Is one of the sheva mitzvos not to eat human meat publicly? which one?You say “the “30 mitzvos” are what the goyim “took upon themselves” and are not from HKBH.”
who are they from? Are they being praised for it or is at waste of their time? Is the fact that the ydont sell human meat publicly a good thing, or is it a pointless deprivation of a delicious source of protein? (or as you described it “ok”)Rebitizin -“Firstly, as stated, the “30 mitzvos” are what the goyim “took upon themselves” and are not from HKBH. They only have 7 mitzvos, and those are compulsory.
Second, as stated, even these 30 customs that they accepted, they dropped 27 of them, and only keep 3.
Third, the שאין שוקלין בשר המת במקולי does not mean that they don’t eat human meat, addaraba, as rashi says, they only don’t do so very PUBLICLY, or alternatively Rashi says that they don’t eat aminal that died naturally.
The joke is that YOU claim goyim have 30 mitzvos and not seven, and you try to squeeze that belief into this line of gemarah which you misunderstand and ubiquitin botched it completely. THAT is hilarious!”Your Am Haaretzos is showing again. Do you know how to read a Gemorrah? Use your Artscroll.
That Gemorrah is quoting Oolah’s Shita.
I just posted that the Gaonim say it’s a D’Orysah.KY -“Actually that specific one would indicate that it is OK to eat. Just they only sold it privately.”
That’s what Oolah holds.
But the Gaonim hold it’s Osser.Rabbi Menachem Azaria de Fano says clearly it’s part of the 30 Mitzvos (Bossor B’Mais).
Rabbi Shmuel ben Hofni, Gaon.
“Not to eat an animal that died naturally or without proper slaughter
From Genesis 9:3
“Every creature that lives shall be yours to eat…””
That would include Human corpses.Health.
I was not taking a position. I never researched the issues I have no clue. I was just firstly finding the gemorah for what I thought was just an unknowledgeable person.Let’s I was taking public umbrage at the temerity of the fool to publicly call a line in a gemora a joke. Feh !!!
Let him peddle his dung elsewhereRebitizin -“The REMA Mi’Panu in Sefer Asara Ma’amoros מאמר חקור דין ־ חלק ג פרק כא lists them in several categories.
To claim: “That would include Human corpses.” requires a source! Can’t just make it up!”Arguing with you is getting Boring!
The REMA mi’PANU רמ״ע מפאנו) says it Befairush.
He includes Bossor Bmais under the category of Aiver Min Hachai.
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