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From Amerca’s Got Talent….he is a proud Jewish boy who performed wearing his yamulka , vote for him tonight , from 10 pm till midnight…call 1 866 602 4804 you can vote ten times…hurryyyyyyyyyyyy
I did 🙂 like tons of times! and im recruiting :p You can do it through email too, and just use tons of different emails in your family ect.
I think it is a chilul Hashem for him to be on TV with a yarmulke.
voting is open until 5am – vote online at america’s got talent and by phone 10 times each email and 10 times for each phone number866-602-4804
I think it’s a chillul Hashem that frum Jews are discussing actively participating in a non-Jewish non-frum TV show!
I think its really awkward that people are saying its a chillul Hashem to support this sweet Jewish little boy, when they are on the internet after The gedolim said it’s assur. What parnassah are you possibly making from shmoozing with men, women, kids etc on the internet.
That’s right MorahR. If you go mixed swimming you may as well eat chazir. Makes perfect sense.
Thanks iced, I just got a good laugh from that! The people on here who are supporting Edon and watching his show are most probably MO, am I right? To them there is nothing wrong with watching that show and voting, and supporting him because most people in their communities are doing the same. I can also bet that the ” frum” people on here talking against supporting him are probably chassidish, yeshivishe, charedi whatever you would like to call it. I think it’s safe to assume the majority of THEIR communities are not on the Internet right now in what is basically a mixed gender chat room.
I was at the theater last night where the live show was recorded. There were frum people all over the place. Many MO, but many with a definite yeshivish levush, there with wives and kids. Some of them must have had good connections, because we saw several frum families parade onto the stage before the show to take pictures. And I can tell you that the guys with beards, big black yarmulkes,and tzitzis out, with wives showing not a strand of hair, not only were there to cheer on Edon’s performance, but stayed in their seats for all the other acts, including some kol isha and other less-than-fully-clad women. So let’s not be so quick to bash the “moderns” and assume that anyone who dresses “correctly” is that much different on the inside.
I didnt mean to bash MO at ALL! I grew up MO, that was not my intention. What I meant was, don’t judge those who are watching and supporting him, because in their eyes ( and mine) they are not doing anything wrong. But the people saying they are wrong are probably going against their communities beliefs by being on the Internet.
I’ll probably surprise some of you, but I was a bit uncomfortable with the performance last night. Up until now, his obvious menschlichkeit was on full view and that was a kiddush hashem, and the songs he was singing weren’t of the love and beauty kind of theme, but were more neutral and altogether positive. So for those who don’t see television and competition as traifus, he was doing alright. But last night the song he chose (while he sung it well, from what I could see on youtube) was not so wholesome. For me it isn’t a chilul hashem, but its not quite as wholesome as it has been.
MorahRach,
Wasn’t attacking you at all. You weren’t bashing. I was just commenting on the scene as I saw it.
wow iced, that was original.
if you do go mixed swimming i don’t think you should be a crusader against people eating chazer and judging their lifestyles.
Correct, two wrongs don’t make a right but maybe look at yourself before look at others.
cb3
If your comment is true then this whole episode is one huge hefty stinking chillul Hashem.
yichusdik
I love how everyone decides what a chillul Hashem is based on what they are comfortable with. I really dont think it takes rocket science to realize that a Jewish boy and certainly (al achas kamma vckamma) a “frum” one doesnt belong on TV and in a singing competition. Singing the song he sang is certainly a chillul Hashem and you see that things are on a slippery slope already. This kid is headed off the derech and his parents will be to blame.
I sincerely hope he is out of the competition after this round.
How is he headed off the derech? By your standards, if he watches tv, sings goyish songs, and goes to a co Ed school which he probably does, isn’t he already otd?
WIY, you know nothing, nothing about this kid’s family or his life. I do.
To say he is headed otd is removed from reality. This kid, even at the age of 12, was helping raise awareness and funds – on an international level – for one of the largest kiruv organizations in the world. He’s probably done more to bring more Jews closer to yiddishkeit and frumkeit(before this show) than you might do in your entire life.
I wrote my previous response as my opinion, not asking you to agree with me, or trying to convince you I am right.
My life doesn’t revolve around telling others how to think.
Enjoy your self righteousness.
Unfortunately, Edon was eliminated last night. I’ve read that the judges and other contestants commented that Edon had great manners, was humble, and was always generally nice to everyone around him.
This is a huge kiddush Hashem for Edon. He showed that a frum Jew, even in a situation where many others slip and fall, stayed true to his values, and did not allow it to change him.
After all said and done, and Edon was eliminated from the show, I hope someone who knows him (yichusdik?) introduces him to A Jewish Star or some other jewish contest. Would love to hear him sing a jewish song, as he is very talented
He’s very involved with his local branch of the organization I work for, and I have no doubt he will continue to use his talents as he has in the past for the good of am yisroel. Expect it to involve more singing.
Feif Un
Does the last song he sang represent his values?
You call that a kiddush Hashem?! What on earth are you talking about?!
Yichusdik
Am yisroel doesnt need him singing inappropriate songs. In Judaism theres no such thing as the ends justify the means. You cant do a small aveira so that a big mitzvah will come out of it. Hashem doesnt want mitzvos habah beaveira.
mewho can you please change the title because you spelled eDons name wrong. It’s not Eon.
Thanx!
His actions may not be a kiddush hashem to you, but to a crass individual such as howard stern and millions of americans like him, this yarmulka wearing boy, and his “great manners, was humble, and was always generally nice to everyone around him” is a kiddush hashem.
WIY, see Yehuda and Tamar. Our malchus beis dovid and our entire hope for the geula came from such beginnings.
apushatayid
We look at the totality of whats involved we dont break it up and say well that part was a kiddush Hashem and that part wasn’t and therefore as a whole it was not a Kiddush Hashem. Kiddush Hashem is not defined by how the non Jews treat us. Kiddush Hashem is living the way Hashem wants us to live al pi Torah.
yichusdik
Apples and oranges and abundant chutzpah comparing this kid singing pritzusdig songs to Yehuda and Tamar. Whats wrong with you?!
WIY. Please define kiddush hashem that you believe anything he did created a chillul hashem in the eyes of the millions of americans, especially not yet observant and non affiliated jews. I’m not asking you if he created a nachas ruach to you or your rosh yeshiva, or even the ribbono shel olam, but that is not how kiddush hashem is defined.
You were talking about mitzvah habah meavaeira. I was refuting your flawed assertion. I wasn’t arguing a comparison with this kid, and, as you would have seen had you properly read my earlier posts, though I think on balance Edon did positive things in this whole endeavor, I was uncomfortable with the song he chose for his last performance.
On a purely literal level, you can read the parsha about Tamar. Literally. Then complain.
Yichusdik: As a general rule, before Matan Torah, when the story of Yehuda and Tamar took place, we were not bound by the Torah. It was kept on a voluntary basis. (rofeh hametzaveh el hacholim) When one saw a spiritual opportunity, one could take advantage, even if it was not within the letter or spirit of the law.
After Matan Torah, we have no such license, unless with a navi, and a hora’as sha’ah, according to the principals of what Eliyahu did on Har Hakarmel. (Melech hametzaveh al ha’am)
The whole “episode” was a humongeous chillul Hashem.
That Howard Stern, one of the most vile and filthly individuals on the airwaves, had praise for him, makes the C”H all the more greater.
apashata
Doing what Hashem wants a Jew to do is a Kiddush Hashem. Doing what He doesnt want you to do is a chillul Hashem. Very simple, singing a non Jewish pritzusdig love song in public in front of millions of people is a chillul Hashem. I am not saying the boy is a not nice kid or has bad middos. But that doesnt take away from the fact that he either knowingly or unknowingly due to bad education and guidance committed a big chillul Hashem.
whether he should or should not have joined the contest, whether he should or should not have sung whatever songs he did, are not relative to the discussion of whether millions of non jewish viewers were impressed with the way a jewish boy conducted himself.
apushatayid: “whether he should or should not have joined the contest, whether he should or should not have sung whatever songs he did, are not relative to the discussion of whether millions of non jewish viewers were impressed with the way a jewish boy conducted himself.”
There is no discussion of whether millions of gentiles were impressed by him or not. The discussion is whether he caused a chillul hashem or not. Your attempt to stray this discussion off topic is obvious.
apy: If he shouldn’t have been on there in the first place (and he shouldn’t have) and if he shouldn’t have sung the pruste songs he sung (and he shouldn’t have), that ends the discussion. It is entirely meaningless and irrelevant that “millions of non jewish viewers were impressed”. It is still a massive Chillel Shem Shamayim. Just as if he would have “impressed millions of non jewish viewers” by undergoing a baptism.
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