- This topic has 25 replies, 13 voices, and was last updated 11 years, 5 months ago by .
-
Posts
-
What is the reason for Rabbanim to endorse political candidates who legislatively violate Torah values? What do we stand for??
$
Gelt. Gelt to them is docheh all other considerations. Rav Avigdor Miller, zt”l, felt that such figures were sell-outs.
Money, money, money…
I guess it’s the same way you figure out for whom you’re going to vote. You’ll never like everything about one candidate, so you weigh the pros and cons. Which means, of course, that you have to assign weight to each pro and con to figure out which outweigh which.
I presume that’s what they do.
why dont you also ask:
how does the yeshiva world allow ads for political candidates who legislatively violate Torah values? What do we stand for??
If Christine Quinn becomes mayor how long will it take before she is invited to visit a Yeshiva in Borough park
IsometimesAgree: And you’ll get the same answer…
Out of curiosity, why is it so important to us that candidates are heterosexual and are against same gender marriage? Is it really our responsibility to make sure that Goyim keep halachah? Even if you assume that this is one of the 7 Mitzvos Bnei Noach, why should it bother us? It doesn’t bother us when a candidate is Christian or promotes Christian values even though Christianity is probably avodah zarah and also one of the 7 Mitzvos Bnei Noach (assuming that shituf is Avodah Zarah for Goyim).
Maybe these Rabbonim hold that it is not our responsibility to make sure that the Goyim are shomrei halachah… but rather our responsibility is to our own community and that there is ample funding from yeshivos and other Torah institutions. Why should we vote for a candidate who may mirror are values more accurately, but will be less beneficial for our yeshivos? Let’s look out for ourselves first.
Simcha613 is expressing the opinion of the majority of gedolim, as was that of the gedolim in Europe.
Rav Miller zt”l’s opinion was a chiddush.
playtime-
Not a good comparison. No candidate is a missionary for “toeivah” values either. No one is trying to convert the heterosexuals into homosexuals.
Personally, I’m just happy that a)I can’t vote and b)I don’t live in NYC, because this election is getting ridiculous and I don’t want to have to think about who I’d vote for.
I’m not 100% sure I’d care what the candidate’s personal beliefs are- it would depend what they were and what the tradeoffs were- not just monetarily.
When you live in Monsey, it doesn’t matter who you’d vote for because the people the chassidim pick are the people who are going to win.
Actually there was a candidate for Congress in NY who was a Wiccan and he was endorsed by much of the Orthodox Jewish community (He lost the election)
Rav Miller’s opinion was the observations of a shrewd and intelligent man who understood the world and human nature quite well. You cannot put askanim on a pedestal, as can be learned from the Friedlander case. Whether the government ought to be financing mosdot is an entirely different matter.
Rav Miller’s opinion was the observations of a shrewd and intelligent man who understood the world and human nature quite well.
I agree. So is the other opinion.
I have never heard of a politician who doesn’t voiolate Torah values. Check the Torah, opposition to toeiva is not the only value in it
ub-
That’s my point. The Orthodox community seems to be pinpoint homosexuality as the most crucial value when selecting a politician, yet other values don’t seem to be as important. I don’t understand why we should care about any values held by a politician. When we vote, we should be focusing on who is the best for our community, in other words gelt! Who will give more money to yeshivos and shuls, and who will do the most to enable the frum community to survive financially. Why should we care about anything else?
“If Christine Quinn becomes mayor how long will it take before she is invited to visit a Yeshiva in Borough park”
The only time I’ve ever seen Christine Quinn live was at an even in an Orthodox synagogue in Manhattan. In any case, it should be pointed out that unlike many Jewish politicians who are married to non-Jews, she is violating no issurim because both she and her partner are non-Jews and the Noachide laws do not include a prohibition of sex between two non-Jewish women.
“why is it so important to us that candidates are heterosexual and are against same gender marriage”
It isn’t. Mike Bloomberg won the frum parts of NYC in landslides. I was in Williamsburg 5 days before the 2005 election and I’ve never seen as many campaign signs for a single candidate in any neighborhood.
“there was a candidate for Congress in NY who was a Wiccan and he was endorsed by much of the Orthodox Jewish community (He lost the election) “
And we just had a candidate for President of the United States who was a polytheist, and nevertheless was endorsed by much of the Orthodox Jewish community.
Following the remarks of the Godol haDor HoRav Ovadiah Yosef shlita at his Motzei Shabbos Shiur, should we be more scared at the possibility of Rav Dovid Stav shlita being the next Ashkenazi Chief Rabbi? or should we be more scared at the possibility of Ms. Quinn {in a To’eivo lifestyle} being the next mayor of NYC?
147, I think we should be more scared about the denigration of a talmid chochom befarhesiya by someone who has never met him; we should be more scared about the hypocrisy of an entire element of the population who doesn’t hold by the rabanut for nearly anything at all holding its leadership positions hostage to their approval because the outcome of the election might mean fewer jobs for those from within that element; we should be more scared of the obvious outcome of pushing away a large, strong, and god fearing potential ally (the religious Zionist community) because the words eilu voeilu divrei elokim chayim get stuck in our mouths when it comes to them. What do we thing the outcome will be when they are 100% alienated? Who is going to listen to our geshraii then?
hovel hovolim hakol hovel
simcha613
We are in agreement
I was replying to the OP
Indeed Yichusdik, the comments made by Rav Oviadiah Yosef on Motzei Shabbos, shall most likely seriously boomerang, and translate into a lot of extra votes for Rav Dovid Stav, especially amongst undecided voters.
People who decide to vote for someone merely because of their stance on gay marriage is throwing out the baby with the bath water. Many states have legalized gay marriage but that doesn’t mean they are coming into your home and grabbing your kids and making them marry.
You need to see the whole picture. If someone is for gay marriage, but he is also in favor of tough penalties on crime, lower taxes, free candy for all, isn’t that better than someone who is against gay marriage but will make it illegal to sell chocolate? Just because Yehuda Levin has a big mouth, doesn’t make him right.
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.