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Is the punishment for violating a m’drabbonon less than the punishment for violating a m’doraisa?
For example if someone eats a chicken-and-cheese sandwich is his gehenom for that less than if he went mixed swimming?
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Trollish Question.
Where does violating a rabbinical decree, that isn’t a drabonon and isn’t even universally accepted, fit in? i.e. Cherem Rabbeinu Gershom isn’t a drabonon (it was not instituted by Chazal) and wasn’t universally mekabel by all of klal yisroel. So if someone from a community that had accepted the cherem violates it, what aveira — if any — has he transgressed?
Rabenu Yonah in sha’ar gemel elaborates on the topic in the beginging as well as it is adressed by the ran in drush 7. Also look at the gemara brachos on daf daled with rebbe tarfon that one who transgresses the command of the rabanun is m’cheuv me’ssa and it it worth looking at rabenu yonah there as well (he is in the rif in brachos).
Alefas: What do they say there? Eating a chicken and cheese sandwhich is chayiv misa?
We know that D’rabbanan is typically less chomur than D’Oreisah. That doesn’t mean we should be oveir such mitzvos witht he idea that we are getting a pass because it is “only” d’rabbanan. However, the onesh is probably always more serious when transgressing a law that Hashem Himself gave versus a rabbinic decree that is put in force to help uphold a D’Oreisah. Does that sound about right?
This is up there with the trolliest troll questions which have ever been trolled.
As a practical matter you’re comparing people who are omer mutar on a d’oreisah, to people who are likely over b’meizid to a d’rabannan (at least in our cultures, where most people would as a matter of course assume chicken is a meat product).
That’s not actually a difficult question.
How can anyone ever even think omer muttar on mixed swimming?? Certainly anyone engages in that activity knows he is sinful and couldn’t care less. Why would he think that is muttar but chazzer is assur? The only difference is he has a much greater taiva to swim with girls (or boys) than to eat pig.
If you violate a m’drabbonon, you are actully also violating the Lav of Lo Soser which is m’doraisa.
How can anyone ever even think omer muttar on mixed swimming??
It depends on how you define “mixed swimming.”
When Eeees and I went to St. Thomas a number of years ago, we had our own private swimming pool and went swimming together. There were some posters who took me to task on it saying “how could you go mixed swimming?” Apparently he felt that swimming in private with your wife is mixed swimming. Others on these boards (myself included) disagreed.
The Wolf
Mr. Wolf,
Do you think that this is really the place to post the private things you do with your spouse?
Do you think that this is really the place to post the private things you do with your spouse?
Maybe, maybe not…. but that’s not the topic of conversation here.
Besides, swimming isn’t a particularly private activity. Would you also object to my saying that I ate dinner with my wife? Or played Scrabble?
(Then again, that same poster objected to my playing Scrabble [or any game] with her as well, so who knows?)
The Wolf
R’ Yonah Shaar gimmel. yikes.
Toi – What does it say there?
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