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My first question was terribly flawed.
Here it is correctly (hopefully)
(mods please delete other thread since it is built on a mistake.)
This year We start vesein tal umatar December 5th at maariv, since this year the tekufa occured on “Halachic October 8th” So the 60th day is December 6th, so at the start of “Halachic December 6th” i.e. Decmber 5th after sunset i.e motzoei Shabbos we start vesein tal umatar
My question does not refer to this year.
Rather a hypothetical year when December 4th is Friday and it is not before a leap year, or December 5th is Friday and it is before a leap year (neither apply to this year) in whihc case we do not start vesein tal umatar on the 60th day of the tekufa like always, but rather on the 61st.
Pretend this year is 2014 (i.e start of vesein tal umatar should be tonight)
If someone was spacing out and “wakes up” during Baruch aleinu tonight, the halacha is he finishes the bracha.
Does he say “vesein tal umatar” tonight. It seems obvious to me that he would say it though I dont have a source. Though I could hear not saying it since “we havent started saying it”
(Isehi Yisroel didnt mention it, though I wasnt thorough)
Thoughts?
(obviously this is all in chutz l’aaretz, and isnt actually relevant to this year it will be relevant 2020)
rest of the question is the same.
The sefer Shearim Metzuyonim B’Halacho says clearly that the individual who makes a mistake and keeps davening a weekday shemoneh esrei on Friday night, should NOT say vesein tal u’motor since an individual goes according to what the tzibbur says and the tzibbur is not saying it Friday night.
mods, is it possible to post my response on the other side here?
Interesting question.
I don’t see why it shouldn’t be said. You say maybe “we havent started saying it”, and we haven’t, in practice, but theoretically when we begin saying it is on shabbos already.
Additionally, that s’vara is probably only used as to when to be m’sakein the time for beginning, but once the date was fixed as the 61st day, it wouldn’t be changed because no one said it yet. (ex. If you know that everyone else forgot to say it, you would still say it.)
thanks, mod.
So welcome
I just reread my post. It says mods, is it possible to post my response on the other side here? I don’t know how I substituted ‘side’ for ‘thread’. (And I’m impressed you understood what I meant.)
The place is Shearim Metzuyonim B’Halocho by Rav Braun, 1st edition. Simon 19, se’if koton 9 at the end.
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