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May 27, 2019 2:19 pm at 2:19 pm #1733401Yabia OmerParticipant
Where did the black velvet kipa originate?
May 27, 2019 3:48 pm at 3:48 pm #1733572avreichamshlomoParticipantIt originated from frum jews. The more velvety, the more frum you are.
Its of utmost importance.
Stop being anti ashkenazi! For what purpose?June 2, 2019 7:35 pm at 7:35 pm #1736863☕️coffee addictParticipant“Stop being anti ashkenazi! For what purpose?“
Inferiority complex
The pass U.K. says when moshiach comes “efraim won’t be jealous of Yehuda”
June 2, 2019 7:36 pm at 7:36 pm #1736866GadolhadorahParticipantYou are considered an adam chasuv if your wear a black velvet kipah segurah peeking out from under a beaver skin borselino
June 2, 2019 7:39 pm at 7:39 pm #1736868JosephParticipantVelvet isn’t per se “frummer”, but the frummer tend to wear velvet. It was the original default yarmulka. The other types of yarmulkas, i.e. kipa sruga etc., came later originally by people who wanted to effectively make a statement that they’re not like those frummies wearing velvet.
June 2, 2019 7:40 pm at 7:40 pm #1736875☕️coffee addictParticipantLol autocorrect,
Passuk
June 2, 2019 7:47 pm at 7:47 pm #1736879Yabia OmerParticipantHow do we know that velvet is original? Plus kipa is a relatively new thing no?
June 2, 2019 7:56 pm at 7:56 pm #1736887lakewhutParticipantKipa is not a new thing
June 2, 2019 8:31 pm at 8:31 pm #1736886JosephParticipantFor Sefardim it may be newer, since many Sephardim didn’t wear a yarmulka the whole day. Some frum Sephardim don’t even today.
Regarding velvet, that’s the historical background.
June 2, 2019 10:23 pm at 10:23 pm #1736897JewIsh1ParticipantYou have too much free time on your hands if this is a topic of conversation.
June 2, 2019 10:29 pm at 10:29 pm #1736889akupermaParticipantIt is a mitsvah to wear fancier clothes on special occasions, and velvet is fancier than regular cloth. It not “frummer”, its “fancier”, but sometimes there is a good halachic reason to dress up.
If you wear a plain cloth kippah on weekdays, than you can switch to velvet on Shabbos. If you want to look like you are wearing Shabbos clothes all week (e.g. to show you want to be considered prosperous and self-important, e.g. a lawyer whose respectability is his stock in trade), you might prefer velvet rather than plain cloth on weekdays.
June 2, 2019 10:29 pm at 10:29 pm #1736896Yabia OmerParticipantAnd even when they did wear a kipa the type of Kipa did not nearly have as much significance as it does for other communities. Nowadays there is much more importance ascribed to the type of Kipa among sefardim, sadly.
June 3, 2019 3:04 am at 3:04 am #17369445ishParticipantTerylene > all other materials
June 3, 2019 6:59 am at 6:59 am #1736949YaapchikParticipantIt’s nice, if you take care of it properly.
June 3, 2019 8:43 am at 8:43 am #1737049JosephParticipantYabia: What types of material represents what type of crowd/affiliation among Sephardim today?
June 3, 2019 8:43 am at 8:43 am #1737056lakewhutParticipantProbably in America. Go wear a turban, if you don’t like it.
June 3, 2019 11:16 am at 11:16 am #1737155GadolhadorahParticipantAnd where are the boundaries….if wearing a small black velvet kipah on Shabbos (to distinguish it from your weekday cloth or knitted kipah) why not wear an elegant black velvet suit on Shabbos (rather than just cloth) since it covers so much more landscape and will certain attract more attention to your frumkeit as defined by your efforts at kavod Shabbos and hidur mitzvah. Some would argue it is certainly more shabbosdik than even a silk or satin Bekeshe. Yes, you might be mistaken for an Elvis impersonator in the black velvet suit, but only by goyim.
June 3, 2019 11:16 am at 11:16 am #1737156DrYiddParticipantonly a kippah serugah, which has micro-holes to allow wisdom to enter has both utility and kedusha 🙂
June 3, 2019 11:17 am at 11:17 am #1737159Yabia OmerParticipantSephardim are not a monolithic group so there’s not one type of Kipa. But I can tell you that classically, there was MUCH less importance ascribed to the type of Kipa.
June 3, 2019 11:18 am at 11:18 am #1737166GadolhadorahParticipantIsn’t it more of an inyan of minhag hamokom? If a sephardeshe bochur from Morocco studying at a kollel in EY meets a frum girl from a Litvish family in Gateshead studying at Seminary for a year, and they get married and move back to the UK to live near her family, it he obligated to trade in his kipah segurah for a black velvet yarmulke??
June 3, 2019 1:43 pm at 1:43 pm #1737291akupermaParticipantFashion is not frumkeit (well, wearing pants are, but since the goyim also wear pants no one realizes the halachic significance of wearing pants). If the goyim went back to wear skullcaps, no one would notice that Yidden wear them as well.
June 3, 2019 3:57 pm at 3:57 pm #1737314Yabia OmerParticipantGH: Depends. And this comes back to the point I always try to make. If one comes from a Yiddishkeit that is neurotic about chitzoniut, then yes one may think one should wear black velvet. If one comes from a healthy, natural Yiddishkeit, one would say “as long as the husband wears any head covering, that;s fine”.
June 3, 2019 4:57 pm at 4:57 pm #1737438apushatayidParticipantThe type of head covering often shows ones affiliation. just ask those baseball fans who wear a cap with the interlocking ny and those whose cap has the letter B in bosox font.
June 3, 2019 5:00 pm at 5:00 pm #1737476JosephParticipantWhat does wearing a white yarmulka show affiliation with? Some of the old timers wear white.
October 21, 2021 1:02 pm at 1:02 pm #2019291MaivinParticipantVelvet shows you a Chareidi. But… theres all opinions
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