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What do you think of Hatzala members, usually not active ones, whose wives have their vehicles (with Hatzala placards on dash)during the day and are too lazy to move these vehicles for alternate parking times.
I have never seen these vehicle owners responding to very local emergency calls (after all they are neighbors and should be first responders), yet their being “members” allow them these placards.
I believe this Hatzala card displayed on dash is to be used only during calls; however, it is mis-used. The result is that the streets in front of at least five homes do not get cleaned.
Is it the street not getting clean or that you have to move your car every time that bothers you.I do agree that people take advantage of these placards,but try to be dan lekaf zchus.(it is hard to when you know people do it forsure)
Parking regulations are governed by the DOT, the permit is issued by the DOT, therefore as long as the DOT rules are being followed I don’t see what the issue is.
It’s in everyones best interest for a Hatzala member to have his vehicle close by at all times. (Imagine if he had to run two blocks to get in his car and then do CPR.) So to answer your question- it can be used when not on calls.
As far as family/ friends using the permit and members who never go on calls- you may have a point there.
There are perks to being on hatzalah.
“there are perks to being on hatzalah”
even so, does that mean one can misuse said perks?
Is there any reason why my post didn`t go thru?
YES, BECAUSE AFTER MODERATING HUNDREDS OF POSTS TODAY, I GOT A BIT FED UP WITH THE NEGATIVE POSTS AROUND HERE.
So then why did you let the OP thru?
Dr. Pepper, while it’s true that it’s in everyone’s interest that Hatzala members be near their vehicles, hadassa specified that their wives have the cars during the day. The implication is that the members are nowhere near their cars.
When parking permits are abused too much, they can be taken away for everyone.
While the Hatzalah placards doesn’t really bother me, even if is the wife’s car, after all she gives up a lot by not having her husband around, what bothers me is the following. You have plenty of cars that have the D.O.T. placards stating that they can park at meters for free, tying up a spot for days at time, no need to move during alternate side parking, causing the spot not being cleaned. The problem is that most these placards are giving to people in our community with pull with politicians. There is no reason why XYZ worth 100 million dollars should have one simply because he’s Buddy Buddy with _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _!!!
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My husband has a chaver of his from his mesivta days, who is high up in the NYC Dept of Finance, he is the equivalent of a NYPD Lieutenant. He told my husband about the corruption of issuance of all these phoney placards being issued. He explained that some vehicles are registered under a handicapped relative, who has no connection with the vehicle, but is issued a handicapped placard. It goes on and on…..
yehudayona-
If the member is at work and got a ride there or took public transportation, his car should still be near his house so that if he has to go on a call when he comes home he doesn’t have to go searching for his car. His wife should park it there when she is done shopping.
She should not use it while visiting friends or while shopping.
I hope this addresses your concerns.
Stop with the street isn’t getting cleaned. It`s not like the cars are in the same spot every day.
Just because one person abuses the system doesnt mean others should abuse the system.
If one person eats Chazar doesnt mean everyone should be eating it
How do you know whos inactive? Do you call the coordinators of haztolah and take a tally of how many calls eacch unit goes on? C`mon!
Hey! Get a stinking grip!
These people leave their families during the shabbos meal, leave shul on yom kippur, leave their jobs, leave their bed, etc.- all so that you shouldn’t have to call a taxi when you get a broken arm or a cut that needs stiches.
I’m ok with them taking advantage of their legally granted perks. The DOT permit does not say it can only be used during an emergency, and that isn’t the law.
pba +1
True story,
The coordinator of Flatbush Hatzolah, A”H was once driving when he saw a Hatzolah car driving with lights and sirens to cross a red light. He knew that there was no call at this time, and HE pulled the van over. I believe it was the kid or wife of the member and suffice it to say it never happened again.
truth – What does that have to do with this thread, that is abusing and illeagal, this is NOT.
Alternate side parking is also illegal. The point is that I don’t think Hatzolah condones it. People just abuse any “power” they receive.
Alternate side parking is also illegal.
No it isn’t. You are wrong. The DOT parking permit allows you to park in “No Parking” spots, without any condition that it be for a good reason.
truth – As popa said, The DOT card doesn’t give restrictions to it usage, It can be used if on a call, or even NOT on a call.
when a member goes on a call at 4 AM it is doubtful he will find a good for the next morning parking space when he gets back. therefore, he should be able to park on the side that is not good upon returning from a call.
im with popa on this one. i once heard, either from rav moshe meir weiss or rabbi krohn that the definition of gavra rabba is someone who saves another’s life. hatzalah was specifically mentioned. since then i have found it difficult to find fault with any active member of hatzalah (not the tune beigels who mop the ambulances and therefore have radios which make them feel powerful) for doing something that’s a bit outside of the system. seriously people who complain about hatzala are either blessed with exceptionally good health…and their families…or are just a bunch of ungrateful bums.
I wouldn’t complain. I’m very happy to see them parked in illegal spots. They should do it more often. We have a hard enough time getting spots ourselves, why should I want even more cars to fit into the few legal spots?
HaLeiVi – LOL!
Question: If PBA, clearly a friend of the people running this board,(after all, he has the haskama of one of the moderators under his name) says something incorrect, can you correct him without getting kicked out? Let’s see
popa_bar_abba
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[quoting]Alternate side parking is also illegal.[quoting]
No it isn’t. You are wrong. The DOT parking permit allows you to park in “No Parking” spots, without any condition that it be for a good reason.
So, PBA would want you to believe that an EMT has more parking privileges than a New York City commissioner who can only park on official business.
While you may like the idea, in your heart, does it make any sense to you?
Of course not, because it’s not correct.
Here’s what New York City law actually says on this subject.
d. Such parking permit shall only be used for the purpose of parking a specified emergency ambulance service vehicle where parking is prohibited by sign or rule, and only while such vehicle is on standby for use by a volunteer emergency medical technician to respond to medical emergencies.
That means the EMT must be either on a call or available for a call to park illegally, not as Hadassa described above, when he is not even at home and having the car used by his wife.
Check with the DOT to be sure; they give out the permits.
The reason these cars have these DOT permits is because they are on standby. As much as the cops who stop to buy a coffee.
They have a permit, end of story. You don’t like this then try having their permits removed, until then they are permitted to park LEGALY.
chani anyone w a hanicap dot permit is alowed up to 8 cars under that one person for example if a mother gets aproved she can have her car and 7 of her kids with a hanicap permit
hatzolah can get a ticket even w the peermit in the window and if they can not proff they were on a call infront of that house they will have to pay the ticket (if ofcourse they get one)
They can get a ticket.
However most of the times the cops will give the Emergency responder some courtesy and not issue a ticket. even though they have the right to ticket the Hatzalah member.
As i once heard from a Medic instructor, being an EMT or Medic is more than just double parking passing red lights and parking on the curve.
I am discussing those NON-ACTIVE members whose wives saunter out
after the street has been cleaned and then go about their shopping, etc.
what makes you so sure that these members are indeed non-active??
Maybe call up their boss and find out how many calls he takes each day. MOST members of Hatzala ARE active and the few who aren’t active are either sick or very old. (But at least their wives are active 😀 )
I’m just wondering… do you REALLY care if your street gets cleaned? I think personally we should worry about taking care of our houses and the grass and garbage in front of them (not saying everyone has this but def many and that is only if you have grass in front lol) then worry about the streets getting cleaned. Besides for the fact, do they really clean the street those trucks?
If it bothers you that the street is dirty, call 311 to send a truck through again.
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