VAS License Plates on a Non-Emergency Vehicle

2scents – +1 Those are exactly my points.

2scents -“Health, Please be kind enough to point out where he was lying.”

Simply because he said additional QUALIFICATIONS. This is not true in the slightest.

“I will try to answer as to why he is defending them, since they are an organization with the objective of serving the community and the individual in a time of need. so when some poster decides to ridicule the organization with a bunch of non sense, he stands up against that poster.

or, maybe he or someone he knows was on the receiving end of the organization and saw first hand how they operate, therefore he found it his business to stand up against them.”

Or simply because he has a big mouth. Why are you answering for him? If any of the things you mentioned were true -he would have said so.

Also, why are you calling it nonsense -many people stated that the law is being broken, but you still call this nonsense?

“Now I will ask you the question you asked him, why are you standing up AGAINST Hatzoloh?”

My response would never make it through moderation.

Health – Here we go again. When you have no better leverage, you start picking on a SN.

Health – Only you can answer for BPM. But 2scents cant answer for me? That’s not fair!

real-brisker -“Health – What is not true about qualifications? Please elaborate.”

What don’t you understand? I asked you on the page before -what qualifications do you need besides being an EMT?

Health – So your admit to being a hypocrite.

Please, lets debate and discuss things in a pleasant and mature matter.

It seems someone is broigus that he was not considered by hatzola even though he is a self described expert. Shows me that hatzola certainly has standards. And probably qualifications in addition to just passing an emt course.

All I know is that I see dedicated volunteers that give up of themselves continually and they have saved thousands of lives, all for no pay.

That’s what I have seen with my eyes. What I have also seen are bitter illogical comments by posters who are the same.

There may be things that are not perfect, but in my eyes they are a lot more perfect than you.

mewho – “I still see the same bullying coming from one specific poster.”

What?? Only you’re allowed to bully others?

“No matter the subject this one person feels to know it all and no one else can come close.”

Now, you’re starting to speak the truth!

“Perhaps that attitude is what kept this poster off of Hatzolah.”

I would tell you the real reason, but I’m not the least bit interested in your opinion of me!

“A little bit of humble pie is a good thing.”

So about practicing what you preach?

Health – Enough already, GET A LIFE.

RB -Whatever life I have it includes an English vocabulary.

How about getting a vocab also? This way you can communicate with others.

nishtdayngesheft -“There is a small measure of satisfaction”

I’m glad that you’re satisfied, but I hope that this doesn’t play into any Ch’vs Gaivah that you might have.

Kinda makes me wonder why s/o would even pick such a SN – basically you’re telling e/o – Nothing is your Business – Don’t shake the boat and do what you’re told.

You see – I can psychoanalyze you too – just like you did to me.

I try to do what I’m told also, but from what Hashem writes in his Torah, not because it’s PC.

Try by documenting it, such as a photo. Then submit a claim. If it was an abuse, they will make note of it. The last thing hatzoloh needs is negative publicity.

Try by documenting it, such as a photo. Then submit a claim. If it was an abuse, they will make note of it. The last thing hatzoloh needs is negative publicity.

Will H really do anything if a member of the public documents abuse and presents it to them? And how can it be submitted to H?

Further more, if the member has parked illegally, and does not have authorization to do so. Hatzoloh ,ought not act. Since the member really as no privileges and is only hoping that an officer will not ticket him.

Similar to EMT plates, which anyone with EMT license can easily obtain. It might help against getting a ticket, and some people even take the risk. So I don’t think that it’s hatzolohs business what risks this member takes.

I think you are wrong on this point. Because a H member with VAS plates and a H parking placard in his windshield is not simply like a driver in the general public who illegally parks in a No Parking zone. A regular member of the public will in all likelihood get a ticket if he is parked illegally for an extended period of time. A H member will in all likelihood not get a ticket, due to his VAS plates and/or H placard in his windshield. The meter maids or cops don’t realize the parked H car is not on call. And the H member is indeed committing abuse since he is parking illegally with the idea that his H membership probably will save him from a ticket. So he in fact is utilizing his H membership in commission of his illegal parking.

Also, if the abuse is driving illegally (as opposed to parking) while not on call, it is almost impossible to document it with photographs.

BPM

That is not true! I have written more then once and very clear, each organization and each individual is open for criticism.

I really don’t know why you keep n repeating time after time that its my position that Hatzoloh cannot be criticized.

Please stop that.

shlishi -“Will H really do anything if a member of the public documents abuse and presents it to them? And how can it be submitted to H?”

I’m sorry to inform you – they won’t do anything. Don’t waste your time. My suggestion is document it and post it in this topic (or start a new topic) -this will get their attention. The first thing they’ll do is try to pressure YWN to shut the topic down. If this doesn’t work they might actually do something to avoid public embarassment.

“Also, if the abuse is driving illegally (as opposed to parking) while not on call, it is almost impossible to document it with photographs.”

I posted this before -this is the way to document it. You don’t need photos. You do need a scanner, though. If you see a guy using L & S and going through traffic and/or a red light, note his vehicle -make/model/color and take down his plate -along with date & time. Also note what org. he’s a member of – it will be somewhere visible in or around the car, at least it should be. You’ll have to be listening to the scanner the whole time – so if there are no calls recently (at least 15 -20 min) being put out in this area from that org. – you can be fairly sure that this guy is doing abuse. Without the scanner, they’ll just say – he was on a call and it got cancelled.

posted by real-brisker,

BPM – Please explain where there is any “fraud or lie”. In my words.

Certainly, let everyone see.

posted by real-brisker,

Health, TLKY, BPM – All you, sound like your [sic] trying to take revenge on your rejection to hatzolah.

This is a lie. You are a liar. I have never been rejected from any volunteer ambulance service.

posted by real-brisker,

BPM – Aha, so you new [sic] you weren’t going to get accepted even before applying?

This is fraud. I never “knew” anything about any organization’s hiring process since I have never been interested in applying.

You commit fraud when you make the readers here believe you know me and you know my motiviations when in reality, you know nothing about me. You made this all up.

You are a liar!

Moderators:

Why is real-brisker still permitted to post here?

Why are you not enforcing your own rules?

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YWN Coffee Room Posting Rules

Loshon Hara and other inappropriate speech

2 – Loshon Hara will not be tolerated at all. We are not and will not become Lashon Hara central (keep this in mind when starting a thread).

BPM,

You can call me what ever you want. I am no con artist and do not play with words. I have written more than once that each and every organization should be open for criticism.

The fact that i have asked why you would bash hatzoloh, does not mean that hatzoloh should not be criticized when they do something wrong.

What i have written was not pointed directly at you, rather to people in general who bash and talk negative about hatzoloh without even knowing what really goes on.

This does not meant that there is no place for legitimate critic.

are we clear on this?

BPM,

Interesting that jump on people for not using words correctly, however you call someone a liar when all they have written is that it SOUNDS like your trying to take revenge. Is this a lie? its an opinion!

I am sure that you and others reading this have known that this is a pure opinion.

Same is with your next example, its clear that he was joking. there is no way he should know the real truth and you surely knew it!

Please stop calling other poster names, (con artist, liar) and then ask the moderators to remove their posts.

BPM,

After being accused of being a Con Artist, I took a few moments to review this entire thread.

No where was I trying to swindle or try to convince anyone into anything, no where did I try to make people think that I know more then I really do. I either states the facts or just kept quiet.

In fact the original post about talking negative about hatzoloh WAS in fact directed towards our post. You made fun of jacness this is what you wrote:

jackness,, where oh where are you? You fired off a bunch of diatribes which were answered and you haven’t been back?

Perhaps, like some other VAS members, you’re busy playing police officer at gas lines like the one at 14th Avenue and 38th Street in Borough Park.

(interesting, you can assume whatever you wish, however real brisker becomes a liar when assumes something about you..)

This is where I posted that why talk down to someone that is offering his services to help you in a time of need. this was NOT about criticizing hatzoloh.

After questioning my option, if A) hatzoloh may be criticized, B) if valid criticism exist to which I answered to the affirmative. you still keep on stating that I am twisting my words.

I believe that I have been straight forward either with my opinions or with the facts.

I have even went so far to explain certain things that people view as abuse.

2scents -“You can call me what ever you want. I am no con artist and do not play with words. I have written more than once that each and every organization should be open for criticism.

The fact that i have asked why you would bash hatzoloh, does not mean that hatzoloh should not be criticized when they do something wrong.

What i have written was not pointed directly at you, rather to people in general who bash and talk negative about hatzoloh without even knowing what really goes on.”

I’m sorry -I agree with BPM. If s/o comes here and makes a statement that noone should bash Hatzolah when noone here went on a diatribe about them, it means basicaly you don’t have that right to criticize them. The fact that you’re now singing a different tune -doesn’t change the original meaning of your post.

To post that and now say you were talking about those who don’t know what’s really going on – what made you think that the posters here didn’t know what’s going on? This was your projection.

The same thing to project that s/o is complaining because they didn’t get on the VAS is also wrong.

To illustrate -let’s say I decide a poster is a killer and I surmount this in a post -this would be wrong because I have no reason to assume this and if I’d be attacked by posters here, it would be rightfully so.

So BPM has every right to call them whatever he chooses because they had no right to express such an opinion because they didn’t like his posts. There was no logical reason for them to come to such a conclusion.

Your Neigous to why you’re always right is astounding. It’s funny how you can’t even begin to see the other side!

Health,

I have not made any statement that no one should criticize hatzoloh.

I have just asked why one would bash someone that has volunteered to help him in a time of need.

this has nothing to do about me being right or wrong. (not that astounding or funny after all).

Criticizing would be when your expressing yourself against hatzoloh for doing something wrong.

Bashing would be to verbally attack hatzoloh for no valid reason.

If you were following this thread, I think that you will see that this has been my position all along.

BPM – As 2scents clearly pointed out the obvious,which I apologize that i should have known you weren’t bright enough to realize. When I used the word “SOUNDS”, and that “Aha…”, I wasn’t saying anything more than how I am inturperting your hatzolah story. Does that mean it is the facts? Does that make me a liar or fraud?

Please keep your offensive posts to yourself.

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