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  • #617054
    ubiquitin
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    As a kid in cheder parsha Vayechi we would memorize the “Va’ani”

    This was the passuk of Yaakov describing his burying of Rachel incorporating Rashi’s pirsuh.

    “Va’ani in ich Yaakov Chutch afilu ich bin dir matriach mit main kevira…”

    I beleive the Beis Yehuda and meshivas nefesh chumashim included this in their teitch.

    does anybody know what is so special about this passuk? why this was emphasised? (besides mesora)

    Thanks

    #1125506
    The Queen
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    it continues. Uber fahr dyne mamma Rachel hub ich nisht ozoi geteen. ???

    Good memories…

    #1125507
    Joseph
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    Hey, maybe you two went to the same cheder! 🙂

    #1125508
    The Queen
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    Queens do not attend cheder. I used to do homework with my little brother…

    #1125509
    Joseph
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    Is that how you’re able to cite maare mekomos in the Gemora? 😉

    #1125510
    ubiquitin
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    Joseph it is taught in most chasidish chadorim.

    The queen

    Nor vi azoi den?

    #1125511
    Joseph
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    ubiquitin: Nur in chasidishe chadorim? Ich hub gemeint as s’kimt fin der Torah HaKedosha!

    #1125512
    Git Meshige
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    Yes, only in Chasidishe Chadorim. It wouldn’t quite have the same ring to it if a Kalter Litvak were to try and sing it

    #1125513
    The Queen
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    Joseph: I said quite plainly that I ask a talmud chacham.

    #1125514
    Joseph
    Participant

    You mentioned you take notes. Do you have a shiur with him?

    #1125515
    The Queen
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    “Nor vi azoi den?”

    bvoiee ven eech bin gekiment mpadan fin padan aram. Mysu iz zee geshturben oolye oif meer rachel der Rachel beretz Canaan in der land Canaan baderech oifen veg.

    Tumer vestee mynen siz geven ah regen tzeit, nein siz gevehn ah trikene tzeit. ??

    #1125516
    ubiquitin
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    Joseph

    Chasidish and Haimish Aka chasidish lite. Im not sure how common the latter is today since all the old chasidish lite either became Chasidish or Yeshivish.

    Incidently does anybody know if the yiddish speaking chadorim in lakewood memorise the “Va’ani”?

    what about Birchas Yaakov?

    In Parshas Toldos when eisav sells the Bechora do they translate:

    Vayochal – er hut gegessesn in nisht gevashen

    Vayesht – er hut getrinken in nisht gemacht a brucha

    Vayakom – in er hut oifgeshtanen in nisht gebencht

    Vayeilech- in er hut gegangen in nisht gekisht di meziza

    ?

    #1125517
    The Queen
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    “what about Birchas Yaakov?”

    The girls know it by heart.

    #1125518
    ubiquitin
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    The queen

    with the tune?

    and with “.. es ken nisht zain Reevein, vail reevein hut gezookt al tishpechi dam, es ken nisht zein yeheedeh …”?

    #1125519
    The Queen
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    No.

    Reeven bechoiree atu, Reeven dee bist myne bechor, koichee myne koach vereishis oinee in dee ershteh fin myne shtarkeit. yeser se’eis dee hust gedarft hubin mehr fin dyne brider mit kehinah veyeser oz in de hust gedarft hubin mer fin zye mit malchus…???

    #1125520
    Hashemisreading
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    The girls know it by heart.

    Reuvein bichori ata kochi biraishis oni yeser siaz viyeser uz pachaz kamayim al toser, ki anisi mishakiva avicha uz chilalta yitzia alav..

    Shimon vilaevi achim kilay chamas bicherosayhem bisodam al tavo nafshi bikavod al tachad kivodi ki viapam hargu ish ivretzonam ikru shar..

    Shall I go on?

    I don’t know how to make the musical notes but trust me I’m singing it in my head.

    #1125521
    The Queen
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    Hahemisreading:

    Where is the teich??

    For the musical notes, press ALT and at the same time 14.

    #1125522
    Hashemisreading
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    The Queen: I don’t remember the teitch, that would be pushing it!

    I just pulled that up from the recesses of my memory, among all the rust and cobwebs.

    ??????? ??????????

    #1125523
    WolfishMusings
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    The girls know it by heart.

    Not just girls. I know the Birkas Ya’akov by heart as well.

    The Wolf

    #1125524
    golfer
    Participant

    I’m still waiting for someone to answer the OP’s question.

    Please, please sign in, wise men of the CR, and tell us where the beautiful Minhag of teitching the passuk “Va’Ani” together with the Rashi in that warm niggun originated.

    (And in case you’ll want to ask me the same question you asked Queen, -no, I didn’t learn it in Bais Yakov. But I remember it from other little boys, and some big ones.)

    #1125525
    Joseph
    Participant

    Talking about Rashi, many or most Chasidishe girls don’t learn Rashi since it is ??????? ????????? ???? and the Chasidishe poskim, including the Satmar Rebbe, psaken that it isn’t permitted to teach them. (VaYoel Moshe, Maamar Loshon Hakodesh, ch. 33 & in the 3rd part of Vayoel Moshe – “Maamar Loshon Hakodesh” – based on a teshuva that the Satmar Rebbe ZT’L wrote to Rav Pinchos Hirshprung ZT’L of Montreal).

    #1125526
    golfer
    Participant

    That’s very interesting, Joseph.

    Of course I’m sure you realize that there must be many Rabbonim, poskim and Talmidei Chachamim who disagree. As Rashi is in fact taught to a large number of girls in schools affiliated with a lot of different Kehillos.

    I would be interested to hear from someone who attended Rav Hirshprung’s Bais Yaakov in Montreal. I’m quite sure they also study Rashi and other mefarshim.

    But first- The Answer to the OP’s Question, please!

    #1125527
    The Queen
    Participant

    Besides for Satmar All or most chasidishe girls schools do learn Rashi.

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