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Nowdays with social media things are pretty scary.
It doesnt take much for something to spread quickly.
Ye this also means that awareness and educating prople about anti semitism nonsense is also doable. If only it would have been done.
writer: It’s been the case that the US protected its Jewish citizens as well as Jews outside its borders. On the other hand, we know from Jewish history that anti-Torah Jews caused the most problems for Torah Jews. There’s no reason to think the Zionists are any better and ever reason to see they’re far worse than the goyim.
Move to new zealand toxic chemicals can’t get there easily!!!
That’s incorrect. Israel is not safe or safer from antisemitism. Are American/European/Australian Jews as threatened by Iranian nukes or Hamas suicide bombers or an Arab country attacking as Israeli Jews are threatened?
The fact remains that the bottom line is more Jews are killed in Israel than anywhere else in the world. As a practical matter Israel is the most dangerous country for a Jew to live.
“external enemies attacking” is the most basic example of antisemitism. Whether it is Hamas doing a suicide attack or the Klu Klux Klan breaking a shuls windows.
And Hamas kills more Jews in Israel than antisemites outside of Israel kills Jews.
If you want to discuss government sponsored attacks on Jews, that’s never happened in America and there’s no reason to think it is more likely today or tomorrow than it was yesterday or ten or twenty years ago. In Israel, there is reason to suspect the government coming against Torah Jews.
“And Neville and apukerma, yes for now things are still tolerable, but we are seeing things slowly changing and becoming more accepted and encouraged. ”
What we’re trying to tell you is that even if it was an extremely quick rate of change (which it’s not by your own words), it would take a century or more for the US to catch up with Israel in terms of danger.You can try to get people to move to Israel. There are religious advantages; there are all kinds of arguments you could make, but not the “safe-haven” argument. The fact that 19th century philosophers dreamt of a Jewish safe haven in eretz Yisrael has no relevance because that entity does not exist. It’s a dangerous place. There’s no more point in turning the blind eye to that reality than there is to turning the blind eye to the Antisemitism in the US you’re talking about.
writer: You’re foolishly parroting over and over the same unintelligent points that Israel is always safer than elsewhere, no matter what, simply because you assert so.
Yeah, if it’s your religious shittah that Israel is miraculous and defies logic, then there’s not much point in arguing farther. If you want to talk within the realm of logic, then you have no leg to stand on. As several of us have told you many times, you are statistically way more likely to be the victim of Antisemitism in Israel than anywhere else.
As far as an outburst happening overnight, which by the way is not actually how it historically has worked, the question would still be why would you be safe in Israel? If the industrialized world was taken over by Nazi rhetoric, they’re not going to just target the Jews in chutz and leave Israel alone.
So, the original topic was that Antisemitism is bad in the US currently. But, when we try to define “bad” by comparing to past times, you tell us we can’t do that. When we try to compare to other countries, you tell us we can’t do that. So, it boils down to: Antisemitism is a bad thing happening to some non-quantifiable degree in the US, and as Jews it should concern us. Why would such a thread even get more than 2 replies? You should be happy if we misinterpreted it.
So it’s the “where are we safer” debate again and Joseph and others argue the bodycount way and declare Israel the loser. Two problems: first, they don’t use data to back their tally. Fact; in goyish year 2018, 12 Israelis hy’d lost their lives to terrorism. This is from the Meir Amit Terrorism and Intelligence Information Center. Second, that unfortunate count is 12 out of more than six million. Let’s assume that no Jews lost their lives to terrorism in 2018. So it’s 12 to 0. But another fact: For an individual living among a population of millions, the count of 12, or of 0, or the difference between the two, is statistically meaningless. Jews are not in measurable danger of death by terrorism in either location, or really anywhere.
So it’s the “Where are we safer?” debate again and Joseph and others argue the bodycount way and declare Israel the loser. Two problems: first, they don’t use data to back their tally. Fact; in goyish year 2018, 12 Israelis hy’d lost their lives to terrorism. This is from the Meir Amit Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center. Second, that unfortunate count is 12 out of more than six million. Let’s assume that no Jews lost their lives to terrorism in 2018. So it’s 12 to 0. But another fact: For an individual living among a population of millions, the count of 12, or of 0, or the difference between the two, is statistically meaningless. Jews are not in measurable danger of death by terrorism in either location, or really anywhere.
“ever heard of kristallnacht?”
Surely you can’t be serious. Hitler wrote Mein Kampf (which became a best-seller), detailing his Anti-semitic opinions in 1925 and came to power in 1933. Kriallnacht was in 1938. Pogroms had been happening in Europe for centuries. It was not an overnight change in public attitude towards the Jews and I’ve never heard any historian claim that it was.I still don’t see where you’re getting that people are ignoring the Antisemitism in the US. You can state evidence of it worsening, but who’s ignoring it? It seems like your goal isn’t actually to get us to stop ignoring the Antisemitism in the US, but rather to get us to START ignoring all the Antisemitism in Israel and elsewhere.
Its all from Hashem.
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