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Shraga, rather than worrying about what cheshbons people make about their own lives regarding smartphones, maybe think of the cheshbons in other areas you can work on.
Is something in the coffee today?
Gamanit if no one in Israel aside from family members had text it’s still worth it to have the option.
I gained by getting a smartphone because i now pay significantly less for my data plan than I did in America and my plan includes unlimited everything. Also a smartphone with unlimited data automatically comes with an American line because there’s a free app that has a free American number with free incoming calls and free texting. It would be so much harder to live here if I couldn’t text the states because with the time difference and people’s work schedules it’s really difficult to find time to talk.
This thread started as something very simple: I was asking people who moved from smartphones to kosher phones how it affected them.
No you weren’t. Did you read the title? It doesn’t ask how your life was affected, it asks how your life was “improved.” That’s a value judgement.
Shraga18 – By your own admission you’re in Eretz Yisrael, by which your latest post would have been at 2am your time. And you have the chutzpah to lecture me about internet addiction and kosherphones. How has having a kosherphone improved your life so much if you’re still posting on internet forums in the middle of the night?
Well, after I switched I instantaneously lost 130lbs and all my hair grew back. I got a raise and my 1994 Camry became a 2013 Range Rover.
Which part of “I’m trying to stay away from topics that may cause too much friction and argument” did you not understand? It looks like you’re trying very hard to turn this thread into a platform for chareidi/Gedolim bashing. Sorry, I’m not biting. Start your own thread if you’re in the mood for that.
I’m not bashing Gedolim, I’m discrediting YOU. Basically for the reason jbaldy22 is bringing. You come off as a “holier than thou”. “in order to comply with the psak from the E”Y gedolim” is not your reason. Societal pressure is, and you want validation. You are more than welcome to restart your own thread without trying to get validiation for “in order to comply with the psak from the E”Y gedolim” AKA societal pressure.
I’m trying to stay away from topics that may cause too much friction and argument” did you not understand?
So start a new thread about the weather. Had you not mentioned anything in you last response about “I follow the Gedolim, I’m Smart”, then I probably would have agreed to drop it. Now that you realized what you got yourself into you want to back out? I don’t think so.
Now, had you said “I became a Ba’al Teshuva, moved to EY, and dropped my (unfiltered) smartphone for a Kosherphone, and I found that…..” We would not be having this coversation. You brought in the Gedolim, not me.
I agree, leave the Gedolim out of this. You certainly should have.
Well, after I switched I instantaneously lost 130lbs and all my hair grew back. I got a raise and my 1994 Camry became a 2013 Range Rover.
And Chuck Norris stopped off just to say hello.
Is something in the coffee today?
Still there.
Shraga18: No problem. Unfortunately, it is all too common for Charaidim in EY (and America to a lesser extent) to “look down” on those who are not like them. If I thought Hashem wanted me to be Charaidi, I would be one. I’m decently sure He doesn’t.
As per your other point, I never had a smartphone to begin with, even without the directives of the Gedolim 🙂 I knew it would be a waste of my time and a Nisayon that I did not want. Bezras Hashem I will be able to continue my “work” without one.
I’ll start the new thread.
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/made-the-switch-smartphone-to-kosher-phone
i grew up in a modern orthodox family. when i was a teen our family joined a yeshivish community. but when we lived in the mo community, many mo community members looked down on frun people who werent mo. looking down on others is something i never experienced in my large yeshivish community.
i grew up in a modern orthodox family. when i was a teen our family joined a yeshivish community. but when we lived in the mo community, many mo community members looked down on frun people who werent mo. looking down on others is something i never experienced in my large yeshivish community.
Since you are a “user not found”, I have to assume you are Joseph.
Sorry. If you aren’t, please repost under your “real” screen name.
That being said, I don’t think you are incorrect, but I don’t have first hand experience (a benefit of living in a very mixed community). I haven’t seen the MO look down on chariadim here (at least that I can remember).
Sharga18 – People got defensive because your thread title, OP and several comments you made sounded like you were attacking. Most people when attacked will get defensive. If you really do mean what you said in your last post then you have to understand that you need to tone down how you say certain things, they really did come across as confrontational, a bit arrogant and mildly ‘frumer than thou’ proselytizing.
P.S. Mods – Sorry about the previous post that you didn’t let through, I’m not feeling terribly well and was in a bit of a bad mood at the time I wrote it. I said some things I shouldn’t have and that the person they were directed to didn’t deserve… Thanks for not putting it up.
I’m pretty sure this is a universal human trait not exclusive to Chareidim. Someone on the CR just recently posted a link to an article which showed that there is a clear trend in MO circles to look down at chareidim.
I don’t disagree with your point. It’s not a “human” trait though, it’s due to non-exposure to people unlike yourself, and/or feeling threatened. MO are “threatened” by Charaidim (who for example are trying to take over EY and impose their own version of Halacha). Charaidim are threatened by the MO (they can stop supporting the Charaidim, as we see happening in EY). So both sides look down on each other.
Part of Ahavas Yisroel is to be aware that there are multiple valid paths to Avodas Hashem, and not to judge why or how an individual is reaching towards the Ribbono Shel Olam.
The Torah in many places makes it clear that looking down at anyone is wrong. May we all be zocheh to conquer that Yetzer Hora.
Ken Yehi Ratzon.
My bunions disappeared and my skirts got longer, but no so long that they went past mid-calf.
” It doesn’t ask how your life was affected, it asks how your life was “improved.””
Lol, you’re really nitpicking. Seems to me that if your life was improved, it was affected, wouldn’t you agree?
Obviously, yes.
However, if your life declined, it was affected, wouldn’t you agree?
“And Chuck Norris stopped off just to say hello.”
Chuck Norris doesn’t get addicted to the internet, the internet gets addicted to him.
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