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Ukraine governor asks Jewish pilgrims not to come to Uman
by Canaan Lidor for www (dot) jns (dot) org on September 12, 2024
============================================The governor of the region in Ukraine where the city of Uman
is situated on Tuesday urged Jewish pilgrims to avoid traveling there
this year on Rosh Hashanah due to the country’s ongoing war with Russia.In his statement, Cherkasy Region head Igor Taburets
did not say that the pilgrims would be prevented from coming.
Preparations are underway to accommodate those who still intend to visit,
with enhanced security measures and the establishment
of an operational headquarters, he added.
Ukrainian officials have issued similar warnings since 2020,
first due to COVID-19 and later because of the war.Moldovan officials last week said they would not allow pilgrims
to pass through their country, whose Chisinau airport last year
had served as the main entry point to Ukraine for about 20,000 pilgrims,
mostly from Israel. The Moldovan officials cited financial expenditures
on security and the limited capacity of their facilities.Uman, a city in central Ukraine, receives tens of thousands of Jews each year,
who travel there to visit the tomb of Rabbi Nachman of Breslov,
an 18th-century luminary who founded the Breslov Hasidic movement.Commercial flights to Ukraine have been largely unavailable
since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in 2022, complicating the pilgrimage.
This year, an alternative route into Uman is being prepared through Romania.Ukrainian officials imposed an entry ban on pilgrims
in 2020 and 2021 due to the coronavirus pandemic.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Ukraine’s President
Volodymyr Zelenskyy last month spoke about preparations for the pilgrimage.The United States issued a travel warning for Uman on Wednesday,
urging U.S. citizens not to visit the city due to the tense security situation.They told them last year and the year before that not to come too, it won’t stop them
In all fairness, how many Yidden (voluntarily) visited Poland and Ukraine during the last war they had in the area (1941-1945). Sane people don’t go touristing in combat zones, most people do try to prevent insane relatives from hurting themselves.
Is Ukraine asking non-Jews not to come to Ukraine, too? Or only Jews?
“Even if nobody gets hurt (which is far from guaranteed),
the fact they they intentionally expose themselves to
unnecessary danger is a VIOLATION OF TORAH LAW,”you forgot to mention the danger of going to a mother in law’s house., that is more dangerous than a war zone.
Is Ukraine asking non-Jews not to come to Ukraine, too? Or only Jews?
For at least the past 15 months, when the Russian missile and drone attacks have proliferated and fatalities increased, Ukraine has discouraged ALL travel into the country. However, as others have noted, the Breslov seem to ignore these travel guidelines, both from the U.S. and Ukraine.
ujm: Ukraine is anxious for non-Jews (and even Jews to come), especially if they have combat experience. In fact, nothing would make the Ukrainians happier than millions of tourists from the NATO countries. Of course it would be strictly BYO (bring your own rifle, ammunition). If you want to fly in, they prefer F-35s. Unfortunately, coming by ship is not allowed since Turkey has exercised its treaty right to close the Bosphorus to belligerent shipping.
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@akuperma
Good thing you are not in the High School History classes I teach in retirement.
“…..during the last war they had in the area (1941-1945).”WWII started September 1, 1939, the day Germany invaded Poland!
The US was not involved until the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor December 7, 1942.
Poland was a war zone 26 months by then, Ukraine part of the USSR was at war very soon after Poland.
Why not go to lubavich or kevurim of Esther and Yonah?
If you have a mother in law that can figure out where you are at 1000 km and send Iranian drones at you, you should have more common saychel when choosing in laws.
>? Or only Jews?
I am sure they’ll take Jewish volunteers. In fact, Kiev Rav’s son was just niftar fighting for Ukraine … Maybe they can fashion this visit as a solidarity visit, bring tefilos for the safety of the Ukranians and donate some drones. And organize matzah production and export it. (Russians just shot a ship carrying Ukrainian grain to Mitzrayim, and as I said before, matzah is probably the best dollar/pound product they could export, beats even vodka).
Having a rational conversation with someone who rejects metzius for magic is pointless. They believe that mystical forces protect them and give kochos in ways we cant understand and the only way to release those kochos is going to Uman. It is their tefilos on RH in Uman that is actually saving the lives of the soldiers in Gaza and will bring moshiach. How can one argue with people that are so confident in their beliefs? It’s probably better to focus on the 90% of hashkafa we share than the 10% that is clear to them but a mystery to us.
Ujm, non jews aren’t going, especially not in those numbers
>>>Is Ukraine asking non-Jews not to come to Ukraine, too? Or only Jews?
Do you know of any non-Jewish groups looking to make a mass pilgrimage to Ukraine? Or only Jews?
smerel, AJ: Many non-Jews travel to Ukraine, these days, from America and elsewhere.
@AAQ, “If you have a mother in law that can figure out where you are at 1000 km and send Iranian drones at you”
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I would not put that past herEx-CTLawyer: You must have flunked geography. Uman is in the Ukraine, which was part of the late Soviet Union, for whom World War II began in June 1941. Other than the risk of being arrested and sent to Siberia, there was no problem visiting Uman for Rosh ha-Shana in 1939 and 1940.
Ex ctl lawyer. Good thing I’m not in your history class. Pearl Harbor was attacked in 1941, not 1942
@Akuperma
Wrong again! The USSR invaded Poland in September 1939 joining on the side of the Nazis in trying to conquer and divide territory.
That was their entry into the war.
It was not until Germany invaded the USSR in 1941 that the USSR formally joined the Allies in the war against the Axis powers.Eastern Europe was a war zone from September 1939 with highly disrupted transportation, food supply, utilities etc.
The USSR borders were not truly open to nonessential visitors after September 1939. Internal travel was highly restricted as well, Jews were not free to travel from Moscow or Leningrad to The Ukraine, nor were most ordinary USSR citizens. The Kremlin restricted travel to avoid stirring up nationalism and having insurrections in the individual republics.
I got As in geography and European. World and US history.
Nice try.AJ: C’mon, cut him some slack. He was only off by a few days!
CTL > Wrong again! The USSR invaded Poland in September 1939 joining on the side of the Nazis
Indeed, the commie history counts USSR’s entry into WW2 as 1941, ignoring their occupation of Poland and attempted occupation of Finland in 1939, and of Baltic countries in 1940, I may be missing some, like Bessarabia. Visiting Uman even before 1939 probably was not well advised, unless you were a pro-commie world-famous writer or journo, ready to tell the world how great USSR is.
On a more somber note, tefilos in Uman somehow were not helpful throughout 20th century – from WW1 to anarchists to Whites to Reds to Holodomor to WW2 … They started helping in 1990s but the region is back downhills…
EX-Citylawyer, learn the facts. When the USSR forces entered the Ukrainian and Belorussian areas of Poland to prevent them from falling into the German hands, the was not real fighting there as the Polish government ordered their soldiers not to resist the Russians because it was pointless by that time. There were only some skirmishes – not a real war zone. And, for sure, not in the central Ukraine.
Why comparing non-Jews going to Ukraine versus Jews going to Uman. There is no comparison. Russia knows that uman is saturated with Jews on rosh hashana
Jewish blood in their eyes is cheap. Gentile blood is worth more.mdd, the fact that Poles surrendered because they were surrounded, does not mean they were not occupied and that they were not prosecuted. Soviets sent many Poles and Jews into gulag either based on their social status or based on their refusal to accept soviet citizenship.
Always, I do not condone the Stalin’s terror, but those territories were majority Ukrainian or Belorussian. Poland unfairly grabbed them after WW1. If the Soviets had not been there, it would have been the Nazis.
Plus, we were just discussing if those areas were a real war zone.Since when do Jews have any form of pilgrimage other than the ones mentioned in the torah? this is really a borderline kfira activity, no matter what spiritual good people think they’re doing.
@unommin, Hey, I have an idea – anyone who practices ANYTHING on Lag b’Omer has no right to tell anyone else what they think “avodah zara” is. You simply have made yourself completely unqualified for an opinion.
mdd, surely most people there were interested to be under communists rather than in democratic Poland, especially during the induced hunger …
Poles successfully defended against USSR invasion in 1920 and, unfortunately, took it as a sign that their army is strong enough to defend against aggressors, not taking into account technological developments.
Always, what in the world are you talking about?!? I advised you to read a serious history book on the Eastern-European history. Have you followed my advice? By September 17, 1939, there existed only 2 possibilities: either those lands falling under the Nazis or being taken over by the Soviets. There was no third choice. Which hunger are you talking about?!? The hunger happened in 1932-1933.
Stop with your uninformed anti-Russian propaganda.What I am saying that many (surviving) Ukrainians at the time were more interested in being in Poland than in USSR that just murdered millions of them (and Jews and Russians and others). And Poles (including Jews in Poland) were very self-confident that their newly reconstructed country will be able to defend themselves. Nazis and Commies partitioned Eastern Europe according to the secret agreement that they had and then had an infamous joint victory parade in Lviv. If your textbook was published in last 20 years, it should have that information. In fact, Soviets cheated Nazis a little, taking over more territory than they agreed to.
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