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July 26, 2011 8:18 am at 8:18 am #598216kapustaParticipant
fix-it-up mentioned here:
From Rabbi Wallerstein on Torahanytime. He talks mainly about negiah but part of it is about general tznius. Its a little over an hour and very worth listening to.
6/12/2008- most of the way down the page. Its called The Magic Touch.
July 26, 2011 12:47 pm at 12:47 pm #791533CheinMemberCan you summarize?
July 26, 2011 1:17 pm at 1:17 pm #791534Rabbi Yossi Mizrachi on Torah Anytime has a lecture on MODESTY which is good to listen to more than once. Tzinus should not be taken lightly and if you think the dress you are trying on is a question, don’t buy it!!
July 26, 2011 1:31 pm at 1:31 pm #791535July 26, 2011 4:26 pm at 4:26 pm #791536adorableParticipantI listened to that shiur a couple of times. I love the example that he gives about the steer in the meat market
and I repeated the story that he said about that drunk boy many times. its so true its freaky
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July 26, 2011 11:40 pm at 11:40 pm #791538am yisrael chaiParticipantPBA
101 times is not the same as 100 🙂
July 26, 2011 11:49 pm at 11:49 pm #791539Another nameParticipantPopa bar abba, Is your comment a reflection of your subtitle? Writing “I read this thread” once or twice surely would have been sufficient for bringing across your point 😉
July 27, 2011 6:21 am at 6:21 am #791540kapustaParticipantMs. Critique-
I found this shiur to be different than the average teacher trying to get her class to choose longer skirts (or looser clothing) by doing an army drill of “this is Halacha, now do it!”. It was more than the ABC’s of tznius, it was the feeling of tznius and why someone would want to do it on their own (aside from Halacha). A lot of the stuff most schools wouldn’t go near.
I feel like contacting Ohr Naava and asking them to redo a similar Shiur (or show a video of that one) since it was done a while ago.
July 27, 2011 2:54 pm at 2:54 pm #791541bptParticipantI listened to the magic touch shiur yesterday. Wow, does R’ Wallerstein pack a wallop. I loved the way he nailed the boyfriend by asking him to sign a document (which boyfriend refused to do), thus proving that pre marraige, there is no love. There is only taking advantage. Chuppah / kedushin is not just a ceremony. Its a commitment.
I always knew the importance of being shomer negieh (and how it applies to post-marraige as well), but the way he put it in perspective was a real eye-opener.
A must listen to shiur, no matter what your background / affiliation / gender.
The only lecture I heard that comes close was from Rabbi E. Buchwald, in his Crash Course in Judaism series (which by the way is also a really good series to listen to, no matter what your background / affiliation is)
July 27, 2011 3:02 pm at 3:02 pm #791542adorableParticipantbpt- why did you listen to it?!?!??! I thought you were past that stage. I love the suspense in that story too- I could almost see the girl smiling at first and then crying for hours!
July 27, 2011 3:47 pm at 3:47 pm #791543bptParticipant“I thought you were past that stage”
As much as us older folks love making it sound like we know all there is to know, there is always someone who can teach you something. Even if that something is just a new way of understanding a concept you already know.
When it comes to man-woman relationships, us old folks can use a tune-up, just like the new editions (sometimes, more so)
July 27, 2011 4:39 pm at 4:39 pm #791544adorableParticipantheck! I thought the issue is (mainly) solved when you get married…..now i really have nothing to look forward to!
July 27, 2011 5:08 pm at 5:08 pm #791545bpt, we are never past “the stage”. There is always room for improvement.
At a recent shiur, the lecturer who also included the importance of tznius mentioned that anyone davening but not dressed in accordance of proper tznius, those tefillos are not mekabel. The lecture was in Yiddish!
July 27, 2011 5:38 pm at 5:38 pm #791546bptParticipant” now i really have nothing to look forward to! ”
Ah, you singles.
Wait, just wait. And then get back to us after the 5th anniversary, the 10th, and the 25th and let us know if you still stand by that statement.
July 27, 2011 6:56 pm at 6:56 pm #791547gavra_at_workParticipantI’m not a woman, but listened anyway. Very true, but nothing to do with traditional “Tznius”. Good though for “exclusitivity” with a spouse (even as a male), I feel it was worth listening to.
Second, the story of the steer has become the current shidduch market.
I loved the way he nailed the boyfriend by asking him to sign a document (which boyfriend refused to do), thus proving that pre marraige, there is no love.
(This is why a guy can’t listen to these things)
1: A similar idea to the T’Nayim and is used at the engagement.
2: The Shtaar would not have been valid (you can’t sign to do something, and a neder that is not actually stated doesn’t count. Besides, he could always do Shiaylah on the Neder, even if he did say it). T’Nayim only works because they are actually getting engaged, and there is a M’aase Kinyan, and there is a penalty.
July 27, 2011 7:46 pm at 7:46 pm #791548bptParticipant“(This is why a guy can’t listen to these things)”
True. Because had boyfriend listened to the shiur, he would have realized its a bluff, signed, and went on with his shennanigans.
C’mon, GAW, really. Why do you say this was not something we could learn from. I thought it put the concept of commitment in a very easy to understand idea.
What did you see wrong?
July 27, 2011 8:44 pm at 8:44 pm #791549gavra_at_workParticipantWhy do you say this was not something we could learn from.
I’m not. (?) I thought it was very good, I just have an Upgefreg on the Metzius of the Ma’ase.
Furthermore, the proposed document went even further than Keddushin, as it did not allow for divorce. He was right not to sign, even if he did love her & planned on giving her a ring right there and then.
July 27, 2011 10:07 pm at 10:07 pm #791550bptParticipantI’ll re-listen to the shiur, to see what the text of the letter said. I think it was just asking for a commitment with a definitive deadline.
Plus, I missed the steer story. Sounds like a doozy.
July 27, 2011 10:43 pm at 10:43 pm #791551LSHParticipantAll I ever here is talk and no action. When are these lecturers going to offer sewing classes so that we can make our own outfits or at least offer classes on how to modify our outfits in an attractive way???
July 29, 2011 2:15 am at 2:15 am #791552mustangriderMemberLSH, Mrs. Brog gives a sewing class – i believe in benei yosef (ocean pkwy and ave p)but i could be wrong (about the location i meen).
July 29, 2011 2:17 am at 2:17 am #791553mustangriderMemberAnd thanx kapusta for the link. i really found that speech inspirational and entertaining!
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