Tzahal Sweatshirts

What about a US army sweatshirt?

Same answer.

Why would “at home” be an issue unless at home means in the US.

Considering that one of the main purposes, if not the main purpose, that Tzahal has women is for disgusting non-Tsnius reasons, I would consider it a terrible thing.

A girl wearing a Tzahal shirt is like saying (whether she realizes it or not) that she approves of the way Tzahal uses and abuses women. Wearing that shirt is like saying “I’m with them.” Would you consider it tsnius if a girl wore a shirt with a big picture of a rapper whose lyrics are misogynist and degrading to women?

A friend of mine – former chayal – told me how Tzahal bussed in chayalot to the soldiers for the express intent of hooking up. To me, this is institutionalized zenus and a just a notch higher than human trafficking. Bilaam must be laughing in his grave.

Maybe they support the brave men and women who risk their lives for the defense of the Jewish people day in and day out?

As a frum female who wears a tzahal sweatershirt,i would like to say that at least majority of those who like myself wear these sweatershirts have no meaning behind the wearing of these sweatshirts other then they are warm,cuteand like snowbunny said it shows that the person was in E”Y. Besides the point that we should atleast be supporting tzahal a bit and most frum people dont,i think its a kiddush ‘H when goyim see the sweatershirt and see how frum a person is. Most have the beleife that as frum Jews we shouldnt and dont support the state of israel and we should! For those of you who will keep wearing the sweatershirt after reading this keep it up! think for yourself!!!

Most women have no idea, not a clue, about a man’s yetzer hara. Every male has a strong tendency to see women in an Arayos fashion. Every male.

A frum man will try to combat it. The greatest, like the Steipler Goal and the Baba Sali, were on constant guard to fight it. They would not speak with women. They would even not read a note from a woman (they could tell who wrote it just by looking at the writing), for they knew the enemy better than us. They stopped all infiltration, even the slightest.

A non-frum man will become ensnared by the enemy and become it’s slave. He will try to constantly feed his evil master. He then will look for ways to play the field, planting traps, lure the prey, hunt, and kill to feed the enemy. But the desire is only momentarily sated; soon to desire more, as the hunger grows.

Ladies, I am sure you do not mean it, chalilah, but it is like wearing a beis bushah uniform. It is like wearing a t-shirt with an avidah zorah temple on it. Support the the army in other ways.

Torah613,

Recognizing tzaha”l is not the same as recognizing the state.

It is mindless and dangerous to wear such a thing. Mindless because “Tzahal” is the ultimate in untznius r”l. Dangerous because people are watching and there is a shidduch crisis.

DY,

613’s point is that tzahal violated the shavuos (and also caused the situation of those trying to kill us, that you speak of.)

I understand that there are different opinions, however I don’t think there is a point of debating the legitimacy of Zionism here on this website…

It is inappropriate to wear an IDF sweatshirt, regardless of how naive its wearers may be.

Every army indoctrinates its members in its nation’s core values. Regardless of your views on the State of Israel, and how much Zionist kool-aid you’ve had regarding how the IDF protects Jews, etc. ad nauseum, those core IDF/Zionist/anti-Torah values, including the rampant znus there, and that the gedolim have already ruled it is Yehareig viAl Yaavor to join that army, are all obviously very much not in consonance with those of a BY Girl.

I’m surprised this is even a hava amina. Besides for the whole Zionist mess, the gedolim said it’s better to forfeit one’s life than to join the IDF. Yet some BY girls think it’s okay to wear a sweatshirt with the IDF logo imprinted on it because they want a wearable memento from Eretz Yisrael?

(Would you wear a sweatshirt with an image of an avoda zara on it as a memento from a trip to Rome, lihavdil?)

Do they not make sweatshirts with Yerushalayim or the Kosel or something else that’s actually Jewish, if you must have a memento from E”Y? Even if not, where is your sensitivity?

On another note, who said you have to support the army, and who told you it’s a kiddush Hashem to show the nations you support the IDF? Maybe you have no business supporting that which the gedolim ruled is yehareig viAl Yaavor to join and that it’s in fact a chilul Hashem to show the nations that you support anyone but your host country?

Ask your LOR, but Zionism is a very big problem, even if the current attitude to it is essentially, “it’s terrible that Zionism came around, but now that it did, we can’t do anything about it”. This doesn’t kasher their various forms of rishus and it does not kasher their State or anything else about them, either.

DY,

Perhaps on an individual basis, but the Litvishe gedolim (as a rule) didn’t recognize tzahal as an institution.

MDG intones: “A friend of mine – former chayal – told me how Tzahal bussed in chayalot to the soldiers for the express intent of hooking up.” This friend must have reported the ghastly incident to someone, say, a media correspondent, a government watchdog, or a lawyer acquaintance, especially since he knew what the “express intent” had been. The resulting investigation must have generated lots of headlines. So, MDG, please tell us what came of it, apart from providing you with titillating fodder for lashon hara against the IDF.

Better question, I see a lot pf BOYS wearing Yankee T-Shirts etc. during Bain Hazmonim, is that Tznius?

Which is preferred, if you have to pick one..Yankees or Tzahal?

OneOfMany said: “MDG: So you’re saying that one of the most active and combat-ready military forces in the world is in some significant proportion structured around providing its soldiers opportunity for fornication?

…really? “

Yes. What does one have to do with the other? Men can be physically intimate and emotionally detached at the same time. We all need some entertainment – some are more Tahor than others.

Rabbi David Orlofsky has a good shiur on a man’s yaitser hara and how many men will do whatever it takes to satisfy that urge. You can find it at simpletoremember.com

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Naftush said: “This friend must have reported the ghastly incident to someone, say, a media correspondent, a government watchdog, or a lawyer acquaintance….”

No one was forced to do anything. They just set up the situation for debauchery and let nature take its course. You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink. If the horse is thirsty, it’s going to drink.

HaKatan,

It’s implicit, not explicit, but because it’s implicit, I wouldn’t wear it.

And it’s not true for any organization; if I wear a Wildlife Conservation Society sweatshirt, it’s not because I support them,it’s because they gave me a free sweatshirt when I signed up (as a way of saving money on the zoos/aquarium).

HaKatan: Can you please list off the MANY gedolim that state that it is yehareig ViAl yaavor to join the IDF? Do not include Satmar or Neutra Karta.

The Litvishe Kiryas Yoelite: and men?

As long as you cant see your collar bone or elbows or knees. Also, boys don’t have the Mitzva of tznius.

613,

I don’t think wearing a sweatshirt is an automatic show of support for whatever is behind the logo, as HaKatan opined. It may or may not be.

Sorry, soldiers aren’t toilet plungers. Couldn’t you have thought of a better analogy for people who risk their lives to protect Yidden (no matter what their motivation might be)?

Your analogy to sports teams is a pretty good one – some people wear those sweatshirts to show support for the team displayed, and some (although certainly a minority) simply because it’s stylish or because they received it from a fan or bought it in the local thrift shop.