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September 21, 2015 8:04 pm at 8:04 pm #616361postSemMember
I heard someone quote a rav saying that before mashiach comes a lot of neshamot have to come down to this world and that’s why there are a lot of twins being born lately.
does anyone know the source of this? and is it correct?
September 21, 2015 9:16 pm at 9:16 pm #1100390JosephParticipantWhat makes you think that more twins have been born more recently than in the past? Because your neighbor and friend had twins?
September 21, 2015 10:47 pm at 10:47 pm #1100391squeakParticipantMore twins are being born because of better prenatal care. Many single births started as twins and along the way one fetus consumed the other.
September 21, 2015 11:05 pm at 11:05 pm #1100392JosephParticipantWhat is the historical timeframe when medical science materially increased the survival rate of twin pregnancies?
September 21, 2015 11:10 pm at 11:10 pm #1100393feivelParticipantActually the increase in twins is due to the increased utilization and success of IVF. Generally multiple embryos are implanted simultaneously as each one has a limited chance of survival ( something of the order of 40%).
September 21, 2015 11:13 pm at 11:13 pm #1100394feivelParticipantBut that’s not a contradiction to what postsem heard
September 21, 2015 11:30 pm at 11:30 pm #1100395feivelParticipantDid some googling.
Two other factors: fertility drugs that cause multiple ovulation.
Also increased average age of women getting pregnant. Older women have a higher rate of multiple ovulation
Also no contradiction to what postsem heard
September 22, 2015 1:03 am at 1:03 am #1100396Matan1ParticipantThat is a contradiction. postsem said the reason was because of neshamos coming down before mashiach, and you said because of age and fertility issues,
September 22, 2015 1:53 am at 1:53 am #1100397WolfishMusingsParticipantThat is a contradiction. postsem said the reason was because of neshamos coming down before mashiach, and you said because of age and fertility issues,
I don’t think it’s a contradiction. You’re just confusing the cause and effect.
More multiple births are occurring (for the reasons stated in this thread). Therefore, more neshamos have to come down (or be created) for these extra children.
The Wolf
September 22, 2015 2:11 am at 2:11 am #1100398feivelParticipantThank you wolf
It’s pretty pashut.
Hashem generally acts through Teva
September 22, 2015 2:26 am at 2:26 am #1100399MParticipantI heard someone quote a rav saying that before mashiach comes we will need to be able to spread news of mashiach’s arrival very quickly, and this is why email and the internet were made.
I heard someone quote a rav saying that we should not cheat on our taxes…
I heard someone quote a rav saying baba maaseh’s based on nothing. Is it possible that that was true? Who knows….
September 22, 2015 2:27 am at 2:27 am #1100400☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantMore multiple births are occurring (for the reasons stated in this thread). Therefore, more neshamos have to come down (or be created) for these extra children.
Or perhaps the opposite – more neshamos had to come down so that Moshiach can come, therefore, Hashem arranged, through His sh’lichim the researchers and doctors, for more twins to be born.
September 22, 2015 4:06 am at 4:06 am #1100401WolfishMusingsParticipantOne thing that is not being mentioned here, of course, is that the general rise in population over the last few hundred years (world population passed 1 billion for the first time in history in 1804, now we’re at about 7.3 million) has accounted for far more neshamos than any incidental increase in twins.
The Wolf
September 22, 2015 4:46 am at 4:46 am #1100402JosephParticipantOff topic somewhat, but the plague in the mid 1300s killed about half of Europe’s population and a third of the world’s population. It took about 300 years for the world population to recover to pre-plague levels.
September 22, 2015 9:54 am at 9:54 am #1100403feivelParticipantDaas
I believe that’s what wolf meant.
September 22, 2015 3:40 pm at 3:40 pm #1100404WolfishMusingsParticipantnow we’re at about 7.3 million
:: slaps forehead in disgust ::
That should be 7.3 billion.
The Wolf
September 22, 2015 4:11 pm at 4:11 pm #1100405screwdriverdelightParticipant??? ??: ??? ?”? ?? ?????
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