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    postSem
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    I heard someone quote a rav saying that before mashiach comes a lot of neshamot have to come down to this world and that’s why there are a lot of twins being born lately.

    does anyone know the source of this? and is it correct?

    #1100390
    Joseph
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    What makes you think that more twins have been born more recently than in the past? Because your neighbor and friend had twins?

    #1100391
    squeak
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    More twins are being born because of better prenatal care. Many single births started as twins and along the way one fetus consumed the other.

    #1100392
    Joseph
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    What is the historical timeframe when medical science materially increased the survival rate of twin pregnancies?

    #1100393
    feivel
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    Actually the increase in twins is due to the increased utilization and success of IVF. Generally multiple embryos are implanted simultaneously as each one has a limited chance of survival ( something of the order of 40%).

    #1100394
    feivel
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    But that’s not a contradiction to what postsem heard

    #1100395
    feivel
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    Did some googling.

    Two other factors: fertility drugs that cause multiple ovulation.

    Also increased average age of women getting pregnant. Older women have a higher rate of multiple ovulation

    Also no contradiction to what postsem heard

    #1100396
    Matan1
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    That is a contradiction. postsem said the reason was because of neshamos coming down before mashiach, and you said because of age and fertility issues,

    #1100397
    WolfishMusings
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    That is a contradiction. postsem said the reason was because of neshamos coming down before mashiach, and you said because of age and fertility issues,

    I don’t think it’s a contradiction. You’re just confusing the cause and effect.

    More multiple births are occurring (for the reasons stated in this thread). Therefore, more neshamos have to come down (or be created) for these extra children.

    The Wolf

    #1100398
    feivel
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    Thank you wolf

    It’s pretty pashut.

    Hashem generally acts through Teva

    #1100399
    M
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    I heard someone quote a rav saying that before mashiach comes we will need to be able to spread news of mashiach’s arrival very quickly, and this is why email and the internet were made.

    I heard someone quote a rav saying that we should not cheat on our taxes…

    I heard someone quote a rav saying baba maaseh’s based on nothing. Is it possible that that was true? Who knows….

    #1100400
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    More multiple births are occurring (for the reasons stated in this thread). Therefore, more neshamos have to come down (or be created) for these extra children.

    Or perhaps the opposite – more neshamos had to come down so that Moshiach can come, therefore, Hashem arranged, through His sh’lichim the researchers and doctors, for more twins to be born.

    #1100401
    WolfishMusings
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    One thing that is not being mentioned here, of course, is that the general rise in population over the last few hundred years (world population passed 1 billion for the first time in history in 1804, now we’re at about 7.3 million) has accounted for far more neshamos than any incidental increase in twins.

    The Wolf

    #1100402
    Joseph
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    Off topic somewhat, but the plague in the mid 1300s killed about half of Europe’s population and a third of the world’s population. It took about 300 years for the world population to recover to pre-plague levels.

    #1100403
    feivel
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    Daas

    I believe that’s what wolf meant.

    #1100404
    WolfishMusings
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    now we’re at about 7.3 million

    :: slaps forehead in disgust ::

    That should be 7.3 billion.

    The Wolf

    #1100405
    screwdriverdelight
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