Truth, Justice, and the American Way

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    Joseph
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    All those in favor say ‘Aye’.

    #1132420
    The Queen
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    Define the American way.

    #1132421
    Joseph
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    In G-d We Trust.

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    zogt_besser
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    that’s the Jewish way.

    #1132423
    Joseph
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    The Founding Fathers were fond of the Jewish way.

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    The Queen
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    Rabbi Ken Spiro has very interesting lectures on this topic. The constitution was based on Jewish thinking. The Luchos was the first idea for the American emblem before the eagle was decided upon.

    #1132425
    Avi K
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    Queen, for that matter all American universities required their students to study Tanach in Hebrew. Hamilton wanted it to be the official language and Madison was fluent in it. However, today almost nobody fights for it, not even Superman.

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    someone is sueing the US government now, to remove the words of “in G-D we trust from all US american money. saying it put religion into freedom etc…

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    👑RebYidd23
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    Those words are in The Star-Spangled Banner too.

    #1132428
    WolfishMusings
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    The Founding Fathers were fond of the Jewish way.

    And yet, they provided for freedom of religion, including the freedom to be an atheist, or to follow a non-Abrahamic religion.

    someone is sueing the US government now, to remove the words of “in G-D we trust from all US american money. saying it put religion into freedom etc…

    People sue for all sorts of silly reasons.

    The Wolf

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    lesschumras
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    Has anyone actually read Thomas Paine’s Common Sense? It was a huge selling paphlet published in the 1770’s and was instrumental in the the American’s decision to reject King George and rebel.

    Paine based his argument on Shmuel Hanavi’s arguments against Bnei Yisroel’s request for a king. Paine himself was an atheist but his target audience, the American public, was deeply religious and well acquainted with Tanach, and using Tanach was the best way to reach them

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    The Queen
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    Avi: “Queen, for that matter all American universities required their students to study Tanach in Hebrew”

    The emblem of Yale University has the words urim vetumim in Hebrew lettering in a Luchos.

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    Joseph
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    Avi, who’s Superman? Any relation to Clark Kent?

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    lesschumras
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    #1132433
    Joseph
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    The Great Seal of the United States, printed on the back of every dollar bill, has 13 stars in the form of a Mogen Dovid.

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    🐵 ⌨ Gamanit
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    RebYidd23- here’s the exact part you were referring to:

    “And this be our motto ‘In G-d is our trust”

    It seems some would rather change what has been the American motto for centuries. I don’t see how atheists pushing their beliefs onto others is any more okay than any other religions doing the same.

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    Avi K
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    WM, they opposed favoring or disfavoring a particular denomination and supported freedom of worship. However, except for Hamilton who was a blasphemer, they believed that law must be based on religion. John Adams said that the US Constitution is only appropriate for a “religious and moral people” and Washington said:

    “Of all the dispositions and habits, which lead to political prosperity, Religion and Morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Men and Citizens. The mere Politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked, Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths, which are the instruments of investigation in Courts of Justice? And let us with caution indulge the supposition, that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect, that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.It is substantially true, that virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government. The rule, indeed, extends with more or less force to every species of free government. Who, that is a sincere friend to it, can look with indifference upon attempts to shake the foundation of the fabric?”

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    WolfishMusings
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    WM, they opposed favoring or disfavoring a particular denomination and supported freedom of worship. However, except for Hamilton who was a blasphemer, they believed that law must be based on religion. John Adams said that the US Constitution is only appropriate for a “religious and moral people” and Washington said:

    Oh, I wasn’t denying that they were influenced by religion and religious thought. Just merely pointing out that while they were “fond of the Jewish way” as another poster put it, they took exception with this (freedom of religion).

    The Wolf

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