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What I want to see in a trump presidency is
1) the price of gas (and ultimately commodities) decreasing with the reemergence of “drill baby drill”
2) a stable Middle East with “the Abraham accords 2”
3) an and to the war between Ukraine and Russia
4) to really get down to the origins of COVID and possible prosecution against Anthony fauci
5) Rudy gulianni, the GREATEST mayor in NYC in my lifetime, have a job in the FBI or justice department
6) true justice for Jan 6 rioters
Anyone else can add to this list
My points are my opinions, I don’t care what you have to say about them
Thank you
if you don’t care what people will say about your publicized opinions, why publicize them?
7) De-nuclearization of Iran
8) Reshoring industry
9) An end to the ACA and the cost of health insurance/care decreasing
10) Legislation to fast-track residential development
11) A permanent resolution to the border crisis INCLUDING some sort of amnesty for certain qualifying immigrants who are already here (probably with some new form of non citizen permanent resident status)
Anyone else?Most of what the original posting wants are beyond the power of the president. especially on matters related to commodity prices or international relations.
It would be nice if persons who attack Jews are prosecuted, and institutions that engage in routine anti-Jewish discrimination lost federal funding and tax exempt status.
“4) to really get down to the origins of COVID and possible prosecution against Anthony fauci”
Remind me again who was the president in 2020 who held televised briefings every night where he and Fauci stood together urging the nation to adhere to their unconstitutional tyranny? I seem to have forgotten his name, do you recall? I think he was the same one that publicly criticized Brian Kemp for lifting the lockdowns “too early” in Georgia. The one who also redistributed wealth in the form of stimulus checks for individuals and beefing up unemployment benefits to make up for all the jobs he destroyed with the lockdowns, which swiftly led to the worst inflation of any of our lifetimes. Would you like me to give you any more information to jog your memory?
Former federal prosecutor Rudy Giuliani should be appointed by President Trump’s new Attorney General as an independent Special Prosecutor in the Justice Department to investigate and prosecute all government officials within the Department of Justice and all other government agencies and officials who abused their government positions for political purposes beginning with the Russia Hoax in 2017 through the politically motivated persecutions of Donald Trump by federal, state and local officials.
This newly created Special Prosecutor’s office led by America’s Mayor Rudy Giuliani should be open ended, with no end date, to follow all leads these investigations and prosecutions lead to.
So do your hishtadlus and daven to Hashem that Hashem should make these things happen. Don’t you remember the famous true fact about physical leaders around the world called “Lev melochim vesorim byad Hashem” ? Or did you completely forget the Truth that Hashem is the King of Kings ruler of the entire world.
“7) De-nuclearization of Iran”
He promised to do this during his first term and failed, why would this time be any different?“9) An end to the ACA and the cost of health insurance/care decreasing”
He promised to do this during his first term and failed, why would this time be any different?“11) A permanent resolution to the border crisis ”
He promised to build a wall his first term and failed, why would this time be any different?And, don’t say he didn’t have a republican majority in the house and senate. He did for the first two years, and he made no attempt to do anything resembling a conservative policy in those years.
The cognitive dissidence of Trump supporters is starting to sound like that of Communism supporters; you can point out dozens of historical failures, but it’s always shani hasam, it was different over there, but this next time it will work perfectly. It will always be perfect “next time.”
He failed last time and he’ll fail this time. If it weren’t for being brainwashed into a personality cult, all conservatives would see that.
An important change his administration can make is to restore traditional values, including respect for laws and law enforcement, and disrespect for to’evah.
@neville-chaimberlin-lo-mes: this is not a discussion of what he will do. It is a discussion of what people would like to see.
@Coffee Addict started the topic with the phrase: “What I want to see in a trump presidency is”.
Feel free to engage in wishful thinking.@Neville Chaimberlin Lo Mes,
So I am one of these people that neither buy into the Trump cult nor buy against everything Trump.
Here is the one issue you fail to address. How good he was for frum jews. And yes Israel but even more than that. Here is the list:
1) Abraham accords
2) Ripping up the Iran deal (you can argue about its virtues but the democratically elected leader of Israel wanted that)
3) Moved the embassy
4) Killed Soleimani
For frum jews in general
5) Freed Rubashkin and prison reform
6) during covid passed a law for houses of worship
7) more funding to private schoolsThere are more but thats a start. At the same time, he caused inflation and won’t decrease gas prices now . he will increase inflation and won’t uild that stupid wall. to your point his endless unpemployement and PPP money caused inflation. But depsite his failures we needed him for gaza. Biden’s back and forth wasn’t good. The delay and second guessing before we went into Rafah. The consistent insistence of humanitarian aid that enriches hamas. the threat not to supply weapons. Its time to get the kid gloves off and stop falling for Hamas charades about innocent civillans. They played Biden/ harris too much. You can’t play trump like that. So yes there is plenty bad but for us the good is much better
my wish list is short:
1) do not do anything crazy
2) reduce the power of the presidency
Not that I do not have any wishes, I am just confident Pres T will pursue them.I think many people here would agree with (1). But let me expound on (2):
All the heat coming from Presidential elections is due to the fact that Presidents became responsible for everything – both things that used to belong to the states as federal government became more powerful; and also for policies that used to be done into laws by Congress that is lately stuck at neutral.This is unhealthy. As I heard from one Rav: it is not healthy to be “a Jew in heart”. You want to distribute your mitzvos to all part of the body – hand tefilin, mouth kosher, etc. Keeping all “in heart” may lead to a heart attack, H’V. Same for Presidency – if we let states collect taxes, do roads, medical insurance and student loans, then the presidential elections will be about wars, tariffs, and supreme courts – and most people do not even care about these things. States and towns will compete with each other on other issues and people who don’t like their local government can just move to another one.
“Former federal prosecutor Rudy Giuliani should be appointed by President Trump’s new Attorney General as an independent Special Prosecutor ”
Really bad troll,……you obviously know there are some really outstanding attorneys and prosecutors in the right-wing segment of the Republican party who would actually be quite effective at leading a targeted investigation of the DOJ’s activities under AG Garland. Crazy Rudy might have been such an attorney 30+ years ago but as demonstrated in the post-2020 election, he is obviously in a steep downward spiral (whether dementia or simply old age) and is no longer capable of a coherent statement, much less leading any investigation. Also doesn’t help when you’ve sanctioned or disbarred in New York or DC.
“So being duped by the top “doctor” (sorry I should’ve wrote top moocher) is somehow his fault?”
Lol of course it’s his fault! What kind of question even is that? If Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson tell him side with Hamas and he listens, would that also not be his fault? In fact, I would argue my example is LESS extreme that your’s. At least in my hypothetical, he would be listening to alleged conservative voices. Everybody knows doctors and scientists are psycho lefties and that nothing they say about policy should be taken seriously. Obama didn’t shred the constitution during swine flu, and I’m sure there were commie doctors telling him he should. I’m sorry if you, like Trump, we unintelligent enough to be tricked by Fauci and can therefore empathize, but those of us with brains expect a little more from a so-called conservative president.
Chaim87:
Israel is now in the longest war of its history, so how much good did his “peacemaking” really do? Also, I’m not sure what you mean by “ripping up the Iran deal” when Iran is still actively pursuing nuclear weapons, and he did nothing to stop this.“3) Moved the embassy”
Yes, he moved a building from one location to another. Apparently this makes a person the greatest thing to ever happen to the Jewish people even if he or she bumps elbows with neo-Nazis.“6) during covid passed a law for houses of worship”
No such thing happened. I think he passed a “statement” or some such thing, which his actions prove he didn’t even actually mean. If he really wanted to stop the lockdowns he would have taken legal action (or recommended legal action) against the states enforcing it and taken them to the supreme court. Instead, he lauded the authoritarian governors and criticized the (Republican!) pro-freedom governors. And, by the way, he continued to do this all the way into the last year during the primaries against Desantis. There is absolutely no mystery that he supported the lockdowns; he has made it clear time and time again.ok, sounds like all here fulfilled the mitzva of helping goyim to establish justice by voting (and said shehyanu for the first vote), now no need to get yourself into a pretzel trying to guess what T will do. He does not know it, CNN does not know it, and thus Xi and Putin do not know it.
You can daven tefila that Hashem gives wisdom to the rules with extra intensity.@Neville Chaimberlin Lo Mes,
1) Trump peacemaking firstly opened business opportunities. Secondly, the accords I believe offered Israel greater legitmacy in this war. lastly, it kept the Sunni Arabs out of the fight even though Hamas is sunni not shite. Ideally Saudi Arabia and the UAE should be with hamas. So it did alot
2) Moving the embassy: again yes its just a building but it adds legitimacy to israel. Furthermore, it buries the arab claim that Israel is an occuiper, after all the embassy says otherwise. its a big statement and no other president agreed to move that embassy for a reason.
3) Iran deal: Well the do nothing to stop it isn’t the point. But firstly he did do something by imposing more sanctions via ripping up the deal. That’s not nothing. Secondly, it takes time to fully get tough on Iran. Don’t forget killing Soleimani was also something. And if you think he will get lighter on Iran, you have another thing coming. Iran was caught trying to plot an assassination attempt on Trump. Even if just a rumor Trump takes revenge on his enmies. Just ask the Democrat’s how scared they are of that. Trump despite his love for Putin ain’t gonna let him pump Iran. They want Trump dead.
4) Re shuls during Covid:Oh yes such a thing happened. Go research it., trump decalred houses of worship are essential. That means that accoridng to law you can’t shut down a shul. The govt decides whats essential and essential services must remain open. And Guess what I am one of those that believe lockdowns at least early on were important. So yes Trump cared about our safety and did not want to stop lockdowns. It wasn’t safe to have everything open that early on (I think later on once vaccines were out, it was another story). Nevertheless the balance that our shuls are “essential was a virtue.Two more closing points: Trump again is appointing pro Israel people both to the UN and other positions. Jared still has trumps ear on the middle east.
And my final point, I think its dishonest on your part and distruthful to not see how Trump is good for jews. It stems form your anti trump narrow close minded view. Its as bad as the lemmelach that think trump is all good. Trump is horrible for the economy and as frum jews lets not kid ourself immigration is a good thing. We all have goytas and immgrants helping us all over. We need to stop being fools and buying into all trump’s lukshein. neverthless that doesn’t change the fact that for jews Trump is better. (Harris/ Biden just forced israel to send humanitarian aid to gaza). You need to stop denying the facts just because you hate trump.Truly surpised at NCB/Chaim87 exchange. I distinctly remember many people’s beef with trump was his being anti-lockdown. I could dig up some of the old coffee room conversations about it if I have to, but he was the one who insisted everything open up, earlier than anyone else wanted.
& comparing it to swine flu??
Please.“Sorry Neville but now you’re just spewing garbage”
Belief in individual liberty is now “garbage” under the Trumpest definition of “conservatism.” If American conservatism now has to include lockdown-supporters then conservatism is dead in America.“Well the do nothing to stop it isn’t the point”
Yes, it was. You’re just moving the goalposts to make excuses for Trump. Trumpists do the same thing by the border wall (eg. well, obviously he didn’t really mean it, obviously he was never really going to make Mexico pay, etc.).“Oh yes such a thing happened. Go research it.”
It was only 4 years ago, you really think I don’t remember? I don’t deny that he made such a statement, but it did nothing. Are you really claiming that after he said that, all restrictions were instantly lifted on houses of worship? If that was your experience (which I highly doubt), then you probably live in a red state with an actual conservative governor. I can tell you with certainty that that did not happen in New York.“And Guess what I am one of those that believe lockdowns at least early on were important.”
Then you’re a collectivist rat. If you’re worried about safety, hide in your own basement. Forcing the rest of us to do so is no less psychotic than any other dictatorship throughout history. They all have their justifications for tyranny. Also, not that it makes a difference, but the lockdowns were demonstrably ineffective except at causing thousands if not millions of young people to die of suicide and overdose.“& comparing it to swine flu?? Please.”
Good point, the swine flu was arguably much worse since it was dangerous to kids and not just old/sick people who had already long outlived their life expectancies. Nonetheless, Obama did the right thing and did not use it as an excuse for authoritarianism.“I distinctly remember many people’s beef with trump was his being anti-lockdown.”
If half the stuff leftists said about Trump were true, he would have actually been a decent president. Unfortunately, he was not the “extremist conservative” you all like to pretend. He was–at best–a pareve, neo-liberal just like the rest.“my wish list is short:
1) do not do anything crazy
2) reduce the power of the presidency”
Fully agree with AAQ here. Unfortunately, I don’t think people voted in favor of a weaker executive branch. At least that’s not how I interpret it.@Participant
I could be wrong. But I think in the beginning first few months he wasn’t as go hung on getting rid of the lockdowns. Yet he pretty much enacted shuls are essential in may 2020 already. Once the summer came and things slowed dwon a bit thats when he started to be more anti lockdown. That actaully makes sense. I think the first lockdown of April 2020 was necessary. Yes maybe we could have ended it by lag bomer vs shavous. But initially you need a lock down to figure things out. Don’t forget lockdowns most definitely slow the spread since it only spreads by social interacting. The issue with a lockdown is that its a draconian measure. Generally humans need to socially interact for a whole slew of reasons. (Thats why jail is so cruel). After a certain amount of time you just can’t continuously lock people up. And so my point is for the first month or two it was vital. But after that it was uncalled for. And this is what I was referring to.@Neville Chaimberlin Lo Mes,
1) As I told you lockdowns depend on context. How long the lockdown? At what point in time? Saving lives is vital to especially when the fire is out of control. Conservatives agree on that. It isn’t tyrnany at that point in time when everything is so overwhelmed and people were dying that quickly. Thats basisc common sense. Yes a half year in what Cuomo did is tyrrany. Thats a very different time.
2) I agree Trump did nothing on the border wall. On many issues the man is hot air fluff.
3) You are dead wrong on the shuls. By labeling them essential NYC was required to allow them to open. They did open at that point. But the limit was only ten people social distanced. They sent inspectors to check on it. But they were forced to reopen. That is a known fact. (Of course when it comes to Trump the never Trump cult is so brainwashed that they distort facts).
4) Trump was indeed not a conservative. He had no fiscal discipline and spent like a drunken sailor. The idea of tarriffs is also not conservative. Both I think wreck the economy. He didn’t cut a single program either. He ran the govt like his slot machines in AC.
5) The reason I like trump isn’t because he is a conservative. Those are my dislikes. I like Trump because of foriegn policy and Israel especially. Only someone who drinks the never Trump kool aid can’t see that he is good on that end. That doesn’t make him all good. In my opnion, the never trump frum jews can’t admit that Trump wins resoundingly on this issue. Because they know after Oct 7 this is the most pressing issue. That would mean they can’t be a never Trumper. They can’t bring themselves to say that. I on the other hand will tell you, Trump is not good on mnay issues other than israel and yes how he handled Covidwith reagrds to vaccines, fasttracking ventitlators and covid tests and yes lockdowns But I am leaving out his wreckless covid spending. where he gets an F for wasteful PPP.But to repeat no question he is better for Israel
first, lockdown policies were mostly run by states – as they should be.
2nd – your views on lockdowns and similar measures are purely emotional, as overall deaths in USA, where lockdowns were not severe, were higher than in high-income countries with stricter policies.
3rd – public positions of T and others were in some part political – to account for all the emotional responses we all had.The main role for the feds turned out to be vaccine development and delivery, with T succeeded spectacularly, and then B having mixed record delivering and updating vaccines to new variants. T could not run on this success, of course, because a sizeable portion of his voters are against vaccines …
Rabbi Avrohom Birnbaum said this in Yated Neeman :
We all set goals, especially spiritual goals.
We all want to accomplish so much in both asei tov and sur meira.
There are masechtos we’re determined to learn,
areas of halacha we want to master.There is the fight against the yeitzer hara that we are so determined to win;
the shemiras halashon kabbolah and shemiras einayim kabbolah;
the kibbud av v’eim kabbolah and the internet kabbolah
that we have made with such conviction…and then nisyonos happen,
obstacles are placed in our way, and we often feel like we simply can’t win.
It’s too hard. “Oy,” we think, “we didn’t realize how tough it would be.”It’s at these moments that we should look at Donald J. Trump and say:
“Look at what Trump did. He had a goal. He may be a little meshugah
in some ways, but this meshugeneh didn’t let anything stop him.
He stayed focused, going after his prize with tenacity.
He didn’t give up for a second, and now he’s president of
the United States once again. He’s got battle scars, but he made it.”When it comes to our goals in ruchniyus, we should be as meshugah as Trump.
Now go be a meshugeneh!
SOURCE: “The Belief and Mussar Lesson” by Rabbi Avrohom Birnbaum
November 13, 2024 www (dot) yated (dot) com
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