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  • #1913182
    Reb Eliezer
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    After the endorsement letter from 11 rabonim, I have to accept the possibility of him winning. It says
    ה’ למבול ישב וישב ה’ מלך לעולם. David Hamelech had foresight that threre will a time of akavte demeshicha, chavlei meshiach when people will suffer, meshiach is suppose to come and the world morality will be on the level of the flood. At the time we reached the lowest level, we will need a melech kasha kehaman, not necessarily to the Jews but to the immigrants and sufferers physically and financially, to realize it and bring us back to teshuva and thereby be worthy to bring Meshiach.

    #1913377
    Reb Eliezer
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    I was mechaven to the Radak on the above pasuk Tehilim (29,10) who says that there will be a time similar to the time of the flood. People say אם אין קמח, אין תורה holding the Radak on the level of flour necessary for sustenance as the Torah.

    #1913660
    Reb Eliezer
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    I was unclear above that the Radak’s name is Rav Dovid Kimchi like kemach, flour.

    #1913674
    Benephraim
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    Why does the Shemoneh Esrei begin with the Avos but Mizmor 29 talks about the Mabul as the beginning of Malchus?

    Vos zogt ihr Reb Leizer?

    #1913697
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    At the time we reached the lowest level, we will need a melech kasha kehaman, not necessarily to the Jews

    Haman was bad for the Jews. Why wouldn’t melech kashe k’Haman not likewise mean hard on the Jews?

    #1913698
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    At After the endorsement letter from 11 rabonim, I have to accept the possibility of him winning.

    I have to wonder why the sentence didn’t conclude, “I have to vote for him”.

    #1913721
    Reb Eliezer
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    Daas Yochid, did you look at the Radak? The umas haolam did bad to us, so tbey also might need teshuva together with us by seeing what happens to them.

    #1913740
    se2015
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    Reb Eliezer,

    If you are talking about the letter signed by 13 robbonim, the copy issued in charedi news (e.g. https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/featured/1913064/historic-letter-of-rabbonim-and-admorim-praising-president-trump-released-ahead-of-election.html) was undated, but the copy trump tweeted was dated June 10, 2020.

    The letter lavished praise and thanked trump for calling religious institutions “essential” but it was not a political endorsement.

    I think it’s fair to question why a four month old letter was released without a date 2 weeks before an election. It would seem that someone wanted it to feel like an endorsement even though it wasn’t.

    Rabbi Moshe Margaretten who according to theyeshivaworld spearheaded the effort tweeted that “We worked months to gather signatures (wanted to gather even more).” Not to minimize the signatures of 13 rabbonim, but you if spend months gathering signatures and get only 13, how many robbonim declined to sign the letter.

    #1913803
    jackk
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    Reb Eliezer,

    Whoever wins on November 3rd does not change anything. It is all part of Hashem’s master plan for America and the World.

    You yourself have referenced Rabbi Shafran’s open letter to the Jewish community – Sinai not Washington.

    To remind you,
    “When we vote, let us do so as Torah Jews, with deliberation and seriousness, not as part of any partisan bandwagon. We are not inherently Democrats or Republicans, conservatives or liberals. We are Jews – in the voting booth no less than in our homes – who are committed, in the end, only to Torah.”

    To co-opt a phrase of the Freiderker Lubavitcher Rebbe ” American iz nisht andersh”- America is not different (from Europe). ” After November 3rd is nisht andersh.

    To those who think that they can decide for Hashem what his plan is, we do not have Neviim anymore. The Torah Codes are not nevuah. If they are, I would like to know the winning lotto numbers.

    #1913810
    jackk
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    se2015,

    What I do not understand is thanking Trump for calling religious institutions essential, when Avi Berkowitz, Special Assistant to the President, held a phone briefing with 15 rabbis in the beginning of March, explaining the need to shut down yeshivot and synagogues.

    #1913811
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    The umas haolam did bad to us, so tbey also might need teshuva together with us

    You didn’t answer the question

    #1913822
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    What I do not understand is thanking Trump for calling religious institutions essential, when Avi Berkowitz, Special Assistant to the President, held a phone briefing with 15 rabbis in the beginning of March, explaining the need to shut down yeshivot and synagogues.

    You’re comparing the beginning of March to the end of May…

    #1913841
    jackk
    Participant

    And you are comparing a phone call to 15 Rabbis from Trump’s assistant to a meaningless and powerless public remark ? (And he never followed through … Talk is cheap.)

    #1913849

    If you have audacity to compare a President to Haman, surely it will be someone who would either get cash from Persians, or send cash to Persians, and who hated a Jewish leader (mishevet) Binyamin for no particular reason except tha B did not bow to his will …

    as to Trump, I would compare him to Yiftach – not respected, prideful, but is able to accomplish what more polished leaders could not. On a less serious side – both Yiftach and Trump:
    reject land for peace; are disparaged by relatives; have outlaws around him; fight internal enemies; make and insist on random promises; boast about his houses; love their Jewish daughter

    #1913852
    Reb Eliezer
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    Benephraim, your kashye is Tosfas Brochos (40,2) kashye saying that Avos is like Malchus.

    #1913863
    Reb Eliezer
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    Everyone on this thread takes melech kasha kahaman literally but it is figurative by not caring enough about people’s suffering.

    #1915518
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    And you are comparing a phone call to 15 Rabbis from Trump’s assistant to a meaningless and powerless public remark ?

    I wasn’t comparing anything. You’re the the one who made a comparison.

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