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    Avi K
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    Akuperma, actually that was standard usage in pre-Artscroll Jewish translations. In fact, when Rav Kook went to London during WW1 he decided that he had to learn English but did not want to mevatel Troah so he studied English translations of the Chumash and Talmud. When he made his maiden speech one non-Jewish listener said “He speaks like a Prophet”. As for “Gd”, I have heard Orthodox rabbis use it and seen it written in Jewish publications.

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    Neville ChaimBerlin
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    It’s true that many of the people on the front line of PC policing/secularism happen to have traditionally been secular Jews (e.g. Karl Marx, Franz Boaz [the inventor of cultural relativism], etc.), but it’s also true that the only people harping on this trivial fact are the anti-Semites.

    Mainstream, American Christians do not go around posting about “Jewish journalists” trampling on their Christian values. If you’re reading stuff like that, it’s coming from David Duke kind of folks. I, for one, don’t have any interest in caring what they think of us. If the Jews all became conservative over night, they would not suddenly start loving us.

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    Avi K
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    Neville, Marx was less than a secular Jew. He was baptized as a child and became a rabid antisemite (see Karl Marx on the Jewish Question). BTW, there have also been secular Jews on the Right (e.g. Ayn Rand, Milton Friedman, Ludwig von Mises, Ernest van den Haag, Frank Meyer – who converted to Catholicism just before his death). Interestingly, Mises was anti-religious but his chief student is an orthodox rabbi, Rabbi Prof. (Emeritus) Israel Kirzner who is considered to be Mises’ continuance in Economics.

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    Neville ChaimBerlin
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    “Neville, Marx was less than a secular Jew. He was baptized as a child and became a rabid antisemite (see Karl Marx on the Jewish Question).”

    You’re 100% right, but he still gets mentioned as a “self-loathing Jew” a lot. I’m not sure he was ever halachically Jewish. I’m not sure if you understood my point if you thought we disagreed (it’s hard to understand the tone of writing sometimes). I’m glad you brought up conservative examples. My point was that, even though you can find examples of influential, leftist Jews, there’s no benefit to bringing it up as a Jewish attack on Christian values unless you’re an anti-semite.

    On a side note, I did not know Ayn Rand was Jewish. I don’t know that I would call her “right-wing.” The tendency of associating libertarianism with conservatism is pretty new, and not a trend I particularly appreciate as a traditional, social-conservative.

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    Avi K
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    Neville,
    1, Both of his parents were born Jewish and he had rabbinic ancestors. His father was baptized in 1817. Marx and his siblings were baptized in 1825 and his mother followed in 1827.
    2. Ayn Rand was born Alyssa Rosenbaum. Both her parents were Jewish. it is not clear why she changed her name. In any case, she later became an atheist although never denied her Jewish ancestry and was even a strong supporter of Israel. I do agree that the terms Left and Right are not so applicable to American politics as they originally denoted republicans and monarchists according to where they sat in the French National Assembly. The libertarians (Rand, BTW, said about the anarcho-capitalist wing “Anarchism is the most irrational, anti-intellectual notion ever spun by the concrete-bound, context-dropping, whim-worshiping fringe of the collectivist movement, where it properly belongs.”) are especially hard to pin down as they are Right on economic issues but Left on social issues.

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    Gadolhadorah
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    By many estimates, both government and academic, by 2040-45, the U.S. will be a “majority-minority” nation from a demographic perspective (i.e. counting bodies not voters). Its also a reality that voting turnout among minorities is lower than whites (across comparable gender, income and regional peer groups) so it could be at least a decade or two longer before the reality of minority “control” will manifest itself in the electoral process. The hard core Dems are now crying Gevalt that the top 3 Dems in the early Presidential poles(the “3 Bs, Biden, Bernie and Beto) are all white males..

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