Trump throws Kurds and Ukrainians under the bus, will Israel be next?

Huh? They just attacked us in Syria on October 17th. How did we leave if we’re still there.
You’re thinking of Afghanistan and Biden telling Israel to end the war unconditionally.
Or maybe you’re thinking of Bernie and Talib?

If the Republicans go “America First”, it means that the Israelis, the Europeans (not just the Ukrainians), the Taiwanese, the Philippines and the Koreans all end up under the bus. Depending on how overbearing the Russians, Chinese and Iranians are, the US might settle to except their domination as long as we are largely left alone domestically, or perhaps the US will quickly realize it made a big mistake, and go full force into a World War (as happened on the afternoon of Dec. 7, 1941).

But if you pay close attention to what Trump is saying, he has so far said he will only help allies who help themselves, and since almost all of the NATO members as well as the threatened countries in East Asia are seriously increasing their armed capacities themselves (even Germany is getting ready to go nuclear, we are thrilled???), Trump could simply take credit for global rearmament and become a reincarnation of Harry Truman, John Kennedy or Ronald Reagan. With Trump you never know.

And Biden may be so scared of losing the “WOKE” Democrats, that he’ll be steadily be turning into an anti-war, and anti-Israel Democrat.

I think the comparison is way off. An alliance or promise to the kurda was out of political convenience; they’re muslims who chant “death to America” with the rest of them.

Israel is not only an ally to Trump, but an integral ally of the US for over 70 years. Big, “huuuge” difference.

1. It is a mistake to see Eretz Yisrael as a unique case. If the United States is opposed to the “axis” that include China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea – the United States will help Israel. If the United States returns to the “America First” foreign policy of the pre-WWII era, it will at most offer Israel moral support but to avoid involvement in foreign wars will not offer military assistance, and to preserve neutrality may block American Jews from assisting Israel.

2. Based on polling, most Democrats and most Republicans favor the internationalist foreign policy dating back to people such as Truman, Eisenhower, and Kennedy – up to Reagan and the Bushes. However isolationists on the right and left have great influence on both parties, and based on the current situation, it is unknown which way both parties will turn.

Akuperma, i disagree; trump was very into America First, but supported Israel arguably more than any other president in modern history, and accomplished the first peace treaty and recognition of israel by an arab state in 40 years. That’s not isolationist. Besides being a pro Jewish person in general, trump also understands that Israel contributes greatly to the US, and it is in America’s best interest that Israel remains safe and prosperous.

Re, kurds; they’re apparently pretty diverse in their beliefs as per a quick read online, but many are anti-west and anti-israel; typical Allah -akhbar nuts who might not engage in terrorism but certainly are happy when it happens.

Kurds are pro-US and pro-Israel, but they are not above shouting “allahu akbar” when shooting ISIS or Syrian gov troops or Turks. World is complicated.

For sure Kushner is going to let that happen.

I doubt Trump knows who the Kurds are, and I suspect Biden doesn’t either. They are fairly secular Moslems who are greatly annoying Americas enemies, as well as the Turks (who are American allies, at least nominally). Historically they have been friendlier to Yidden than the Arabs, Iranians or Turks.

A weak United States will be unable to help Israel, and the combined effects of Trump and Biden, WOKE and MAGA, is to weaken America.

For Israel, the best approach is to cut a deal the Palestinians, which will end the threats from the Iranians, eliminate reliance on the Americans, and probably result in Israel losing its invitation to join in World War III (which will be a great show to miss).

While the impact of US aid on Israel may be very negative (since it results in Israeli weapons being manufactured by American workers rather than Israeli workers), it gives countries like Iran (and Russia) enough to worry about that they don’t go full force to conquer Israel. If the US loses interest it anything on the “right” side of the pond, it gives Iran (and Russia) a free hand to blockade Israeli ports (and Eliat’s access to the Indian Ocean and East Asia is not dependent on the American navy), and to use cruise missiles or even nukes on Israeli cities.

Trump is for Trump. If he should get elected, he will remember how Bibi was so disloyal by congratulating Biden. Trump will definitely punish Israel for this. And I wholeheartedly agree with Gadolhadorah about Biden. He sacrificed his electability by providing so much aid and moral support to Israel throughout this war. The American Arab/Palestinians have stated that they will not support his candidacy.

Wow

I think gehennom froze over

Yechiell,

Well the question is what are you more? A Jewish democrat or a democrat who is also Jewish (what is the עיקר Jewish or democrat?)

Yechiell,

I’ve already shown you to be a democrat (in the Nikki Haley thread)

You can’t tell me you’re a republican and would vote for Biden after the past four years just because trump is a “bad man”

It’s only a few more days until Purim you don’t need to put on your mask just yet

yechiell, there are a number of opinion writers who are critical of T, while admitting that they have no problems with the actual policies of his administration. You started with Kurds – T resolved the situation in probably best possible way. Recall that he also dealt decisively with ISIS there. The thing is – solving an issue does not pay politically, nobody remembers ISIS at this point. Imagine Biden standing up to Putin early in 2022 and making it really clear to him that the world will defend Ukraine? Maybe joint exercises in Feb 2022 on Ukrainian/Russian border? A couple of Tomahawks near Russian troops in Syria? Everybody will be saying now that it was not such a big deal.

Lost, Obama presided over post-crisis economy. Growth rate was lowest comparing with similar recovery periods. Possibly, he did not bother growing it to make sure no new downturn comes before 2016 elections?

Obama had forces in ME, but we were not winning. Obama’s policies were restricting military. Each strike had to be approved from the White House legal council. Read it up. Read, for example, about Gen McCrystal who had a distinguished career … Maybe let’s look at contemporary reports:

CNN December 7, 2016
SIS’ march across Iraq and Syria – a campaign that’s forced President Barack Obama to return small numbers of US troops to the region, even after touting an end to the decade-long ground offensives there – came as a surprise to US intelligence, the President told CNN in a new special report.
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As Obama’s presidency concludes, it’s clearer than ever he’ll depart the White House with Syrians facing nearly unyielding misery.
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Avoiding a large scale ground conflict in Syria “is the smartest decision from a menu of bad options that were available to us,”
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Some of Obama’s generals wanted to keep 10,000 US troops in Iraq to maintain stability in the country as it emerged from a decade of war. But …
The efforts have squeezed ISIS on the battlefield, reducing its territory and taking out key figures in its leadership. A campaign to retake Mosul, the group’s base in Iraq, is making progress.