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I am grateful for how good he was for Jews, but at this point i think he really should stay out of races. Democrats can lose by their own horrible policies. But when Trump is around the Democrats can use Trump as a negative card against Republicans and make more independent voters either stay home or vote Democrat.
Without Trump’s base (primarily working class, disproportionately of European descent) the Republicans have a problem. Even if you add up the “Tea Party” and the “Neocons” and the “Country Club Republicans” and the “Wall Street Republicans”, they don’t have a majority. Bush only got in since the earlier version of today’s “Progressive Democrats” stabbed Gore in the back and voted for Nader. Reagan only got in since Jimmy Carter was a clear failure and the Democrats in the 1970s were pushing a radical agenda very similar to today’s “progressives”.
Unless they can convince the Democrats to run a socialist or a fool, the Republican best chance to win is to find a way to unite their factions in a way that includes Trump’s base. If winning was more important than ego, Trump would settle down to be a “Senior Statesman”, and become a good party man (instead of someone who was recently a Democrat, and always focused on himself rather than party). Getting Trump to settle down to retirement as a “wise elder” is a challenge.
Agree with akuperma, each race is different. Some races will have a larger maga base voting in them, while others will have a small maga base (like virginia) n which case the gop would need to put up a candidate that is able to walk that fine line in order to reel in both the maga base, and moderate/independent base. Glen youngkin did a great job doing that. I think Ron DeSantis would be a great candidate on a presidential level.
Lakewhut -“but at this point i think he really should stay out of races.”
He won’t.
Do you know what Youngkin did?
He played it smart.
He kept Trump at arm’s length.
So he didn’t turn off the Trump supporters & he didn’t turn off the Anti-Trump gang, consisting of Repos, DemonCrats and Independents!I suspect any Republican other than Trump has a good chance of winning provided that 1) Trump is enthusiastically supporting the ticket; 2) the candidate is an experience politician who knows how not alienate people and does know how to build coalitions; 3) the Democrats don’t dump Biden for a “moderate” who can put the “woke” in their place (on the sidelines) without alienating them
I fully support Trump. I voted for him in 2020, and I would vote for him in the future. He’s was the best President the U.S. has had in a long time.
But if the mobs of ignorant, irrational Trump-haters are keeping the Democrats in power, maybe Trump should step aside and turn the reins of the Republican party over to someone else who’s more palatable to the voters.
DovidBT -“But if the mobs of ignorant, irrational Trump-haters are keeping the Democrats in power, maybe Trump should step aside and turn the reins of the Republican party over to someone else who’s more palatable to the voters.”
First of all, Trump won’t agree.
Second, Trump is not in any office right now.
When 2024 comes – the Republicans will have a Primary.
Trump I’m sure will be in it.
If he wins, he’ll run for President, no matter what anyone else says – DemonCrat, Independent or Republican!Akuperma -“the candidate is an experience politician who knows how not alienate people and does know how to build coalitions; ”
Not true!
If it’s in Republican area, they will only vote for the Republican.
Because the DemonCrats have even turned off Independents & Moderate Democrats, in the last year.
Eg., the Senator from West Virginia.This just happened in NJ where we got rid of Sweeney, the Senate President, with a No Name, No Politician, former Truck driver!
If Trump and DeSantis both run, I’m voting for DeSantis I’m the primary. I just feel like Trump will have a hard time pulling in the independent vote despite the D’s “efforts” to alienate them. Perhaps he would win back the independents but I almost feel like DeSantis would be a “shoo in” for the presidency.
“If Trump and DeSantis both run…”
That would be a tough decision. As a Florida resident, I think DeSantis is an outstanding Governor and I wouldn’t want to lose him. But assuming that he’s re-elected as Governor in 2022, then being elected as President in 2024 would only affect the last two years of his second term as Governor. He couldn’t serve a third consecutive term.
I think trump was a great president but I also think he is a good club for the Dems to hit Republicans with. I was going to say exactly what Health said. Youngkin was able to welcome in the Trump voters while not alienating the suburban women (who were a tremendous help to his victory) I think he should continue to keep quiet except for endorsements.
If Trump runs against Biden –
do you know anyone who voted for T who will vote for B or not vote? I don’t
do you know anyone who voted for B who will change his vote or not come? I know some as of this point. If there are 50K of these in the right states until election day, Trump wins even with all his negatives.Stealth, I am too tired with your Demoncrats, and not with the obstructionist Rebublicans being in the bubble of Drumf.
RE -“Stealth, I am too tired with your Demoncrats, and not with the obstructionist Rebublicans being in the bubble of Drumf”
Any and All Negativity they learned from the DemonCrats!
For example, they Tried for 3 years to Impeach Trump on a Made Up Russian Collusion.
Also in Texas, the State DemonCrats refused to allow a quorum in the Legislature!You fight Fire with Fire.
I know when it’s your side getting Burnt – then maybe you’ll learn how to Behave?!?
You Reap what you Sow!AAq, I do know someone who voted for T, and after T not conceding nice and easy, putting up a fight, he said he’s not voting for T next time, he’ll either vote 3rd party or stay home. Perhaps he’s changed his mind over the last 10 months, perhaps not. If I had to guess, I do think Trump would win in 2024, however I think DeSantis has a much greater chance.
I just want to say that biden is now low in the LEFTIST polls, the ones that claimed he was very high just a few months ago. With everything that happened, biden has no chance for re-election and I think that Trump as pres and Ron DeSantis as vice pres would be great.
I understand what you are saying about Florida governor, I do not know much about him, heard some good things he is doing re:education. Still, so far there is a difference between T and R- politicians, he showed business skills to tackle multiple very hard issues while all of them are good at talking about those issues. It was a promise in 2016 and it is a track record now. So far, someone who negotiated Abrahamic accords, moved embassy, funded 10 different vaccines over FDA slowness, put tariffs on China, broke ISIS, sent weapons to Ukrainians is still preferable to someone who is suing Joe Biden.
USA Today yesterday: Over the past year, two-thirds of those surveyed say, their opinion of Trump hasn’t changed. Fourteen percent say their view of him has gotten better, 19% say it has gotten worse.
So, there are people who now think worse of T, still not necessarily saying they will not vote for him. “Only” 58% of people do not want T to run – 66% do not want B ..
These are the CNN poll results:
(CNN) One year out from the 2022 midterm elections, 58% of Americans say President Joe Biden hasn’t paid enough attention to the nation’s most important problems, as a majority disapproves of the way he’s handling his job as President, according to a new CNN Poll conducted by SSRS.
More than a third of Americans call the economy the most pressing problem facing the country (36%). Among the group that sees it that way, 72% say Biden hasn’t been attentive to the right issues. That dynamic is reversed among the smaller 20% who consider the coronavirus pandemic the nation’s top problem: 79% in that subset say Biden has had the right priorities, while 21% not.
All told, 48% of adults approve of the way Biden is handling the job while 52% disapprove. Intensity within those ratings breaks sharply against the President. The share saying they strongly approve of Biden’s performance has dropped to just 15%, down from 34% in April.I think this Ober CHochomel is right.
Aaq “So far, someone who negotiated Abrahamic accords, moved embassy, funded 10 different vaccines over FDA slowness, put tariffs on China, broke ISIS, sent weapons to Ukrainians is still preferable to someone who is suing Joe Biden.”
-possibly true, but only in a hypothetical scenario where we can just pick someone that automatically becomes the president. If Trump can’t win the presidency whereas DeSantis can, then DeSantis is the way to go regardless of trump’s accomplishments.
-“So, there are people who now think worse of T, still not necessarily saying they will not vote for him.” At the end of day, it is more likely (based on poll) trumps recieves less votes.RE -“not with the obstructionist Rebublicans being in the bubble of Drumf.”
Trump policies are Still in effect!
Biden, day one, changed Trump policy of waiting in Mexico.
The reason was – if they wait in the US – a lot just join the Rest of the Illegals here.
Even if they become citizens, they will vote Demoncrat.Because of a court case, from a Trump appointed Judge, the Biden administration just Reversed Course!
Thank Hashem for Not letting the US to become another Mexico, for the time being.
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