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I recently discovered trolling on wikipedia, and it is awesome! What a fun game!
Look at the YCT article there, and see if you can spot the Popa.
Was that entire gender discrimination section you?
LOL It took me a few minutes to stop laughing…..
I always suspected that it was you who edited the Pig Latin article.
dash: Lemme see it. Which version should I look at?
Sorry, the mods won’t let me post that link but here’s another one. http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/in-telshe-they-dont-wear-tzitzis-and-other-stories#post-438137
I was wondering when you’d realize that.
But how clever of you to answer my question from the other thread like this.
Oh, that was a funny thread. I wonder if that was me who changed that–I certainly cannot remember.
It came from the same IP address as the recent YCT edits (and surpisingly is still there).
Add this:
Although in June 2009, Weiss created the title MaHaRaT for Sara Hurwitz, he did not call her a rabbi, and is of the opinion that she is not as capable as a male, stating, “She can do 95 percent of what other rabbis do”.[29]
“before vandalism attacks”
rotflmko
I very much want to read your comments on YCT. Where can I find it??? I read through the entire article. And most of the edits section, but it was mostly left and right knee-jerk arguments.
Brilliant (I read in the history.) Genius.
I have a friend who is a long time editor. I will ask them about putting it back in.
I don’t know how to use an IP proxy.
Not sure why you find it so amusing to edit the Young Conservatives of Texas page on wikipedia.
you ruined it with “to their credit.” until then you were doing fine.
That’s pretty offensive. If anything, you should be trolling non-religious pages or terrorist pages or pages of criminals., or Satmar pages. But to go after YCT like that is just low. I don’t agree with that hashkafah but I respect it, and their commitment to Halacha 95% of the time :).
Good point. I don’t think my filter allows it.
Anyhow, it seems you were doing edits on random articles. In three days, you should be good to go.
Calling YCT similar to the Taliban is just funny. I disagree with them halachicallly but in no way are they violent or rude.
rationalfrummie: Where do you see that the Taliban is rude?
Shkoyach popa!
Torah613:
When the Taliban were in control of parts of Afghanistan, they burned secular books sold in stores, destroyed priceless museum artifacts, and humiliated dissidents. They also ruthlessly killed many people. My apologies- calling them rude is the understatement of the century.
Popa comparing YCT to the Taliban is so offensive, and so ignorant.
I had a troll that lasted a good four months before it was overwritten. I’m not even sure the overwriter knew I was trolling. It was in the article for Edah, an “orthodox” organization committed to finding heterim for everything. I simply quoted my Rosh HaYeshiva in the article, “The organization derives their name from the passage in Exodus Ad matai ha’Edah ha’ra’ah ha’zot”
Well, it was interesting reading the talk page, anyway.
But YCT has much more people than the yeshivish world does who are internet savvy. I shudder to think of what they could do to our wikipedia pages. So on second thought, maybe it’s just as well it got edited.
“The organization derives their name from the passage in Exodus Ad matai ha’Edah ha’ra’ah ha’zot”
You spelled the passuk wrong. Don’t worry, I fixed it. 😉
So fine. They are fairly traditional, but willing to make halachic changes and be maikil, as well as misusing halachic concepts like kavod briyos and kavod tzibbur. That doesn’t mean they’re hypocritical though- I don’t think they claim to be completely liberal, or open to everything.
The very fact that they have mechitzahs, oppose same-sex marriage, and keep Shabbos shows they do have some boundaries and generally care about Judaism and Halacha in general. Otherwise, they’d be reform or conservative, without marketing themselves as orthodox at
All they claim is that they’re more egalitarian than most frum Jews, and that is true.
yah, the talk page is kind of amusing.
Kind of.
The very fact that they have mechitzahs, oppose same-sex marriage, and keep Shabbos shows they do have some boundaries and generally care about Judaism and Halacha in general.
Or, it shows that they’re smart enough to realize that they would not attract anyone if they were so blatantly non halachic.
That’s not being fair. They know their views are unpopular, and they would be welcomed a lot more in non-orthodox communities. However, they don’t do that because they still care about most of Halacha.
lol I have no idea how wikipedia works, but according to recent studies it’s nearly as accurate as encyclopedia britannica. I guess they crack down on subjectivity in articles, especially in this extreme case.
PBA: You’re right.
Why do you think they got upset when I posted on their page that they don’t do same-sex marriage? I’m not upset if someone says that about my yeshiva! Why do you think they deleted that they require mechitza’s? I am happy to say that my yeshiva has a mechitza and requires its graduates to have one.
Good point.
DaasYochid: Or, it shows that they’re smart enough to realize that they would not attract anyone if they were so blatantly non halachic.
Deserves to be repeated.
It is quite funny that they are deleting my edits. After all, the people deleting it know that what I said is true, and nobody would deny it, and my sourcing is good. They’re blaming it on this thread, but there is no req of motives on wikipedia. It doesn’t say much about their intellectual honesty.
Agreed.
I don’t think you’re being dan l’kaf zechus. I have no idea what their motivations are, but overall they observe Halacha much more than non-frum do- it shows they care.
DY says they wouldn’t attract members if they wer blatantly non-halachic- what about the non religious?? They don’t associate with those movements for a reason- they have some principles.
If they really care about halachah, why do they distort it so terribly? They’re working straight out if the old conservative playbook.
I’ve told you. They keep Shabbos, kashrus, go to shul, fast on tzomim, some women cover their hair, teach Gemara, daven, wear kippahs and tzitzis, and many do taharas hamishpachah. Does that sound like non-religious Judaism to you?
rationalfrummie,
there is a moshol – I think its in the Shaarei Teshiva L’Rabeinu Yona – if someone were to tell a king “I will listen to everything you ask of me and follow all your rules – except for one which makes no sense to me,” how will the king react? Will he consider him a loyal subject because he keeps 99% of the rules or will he throw him in jail for daring to suggest that he gets to decide which of the king’s rules make enough sense to be kept.
None of us are perfect but at least we strive for perfection and understand that what we dont do right is our own shortcoming. But when we make a movement which says 95% of the Torah should be kept but the rest is outdated…that is very far from torah judaism.
Come and see how the melech hamelachim is different than a basar v’dam melech! God is merciful, we should be as well (imitatio dei). If they really sincerely follow 95% of Halacha, I think I can honestly be mochel them even though they’re wrong.
And Comparing them to heterodox movements is just wrong, as you admit.
“These apikorsim think that halacha is not incumbent on them, and that they can change for reasons that are not allowed.”
What makes you think that YCT believes that halacha is not incumbent on them?
I don’t know too many YCT aligned people, but the few I have met did not believe that.
Popa,
In what way are they not using the same process as us? Are you sure you are not confusing bad svaras with bad process?
That’s not okay. They do follow most halachos and care. The only problems are womens issues, and a few other kulahs. Are they really as bad as Zoroastrians in your opinion? Wow. That’s quite sad you feel this way about other Jews that believe in God, learn Chumash and Gemara and are shomer mitzvos.
For the record, the Sadducees (tzedukim) did in fact reject Torah she’be’al pen, and only though Torah she’bichsav had authority.
Durthermore, YCT uses the same halachic process many Orthodox Jews do for 90% of the issues. For that they should be respected. This is a far cry from the reform who saw Halacha as primitive, and ignored it altogether. YCT clearly does not ignore Halacha, otherwise they’d serve pork, be mechalel Shabbos, and reject the Torah as being divinely authored. The fact that they don’t do ANY of those things shows they’re a lot closer to you than you think they are.
Broadly painting many Jews that care about their yiddishkeit and Halacha with the brush of avodah zarah is so offensive. Open orthodoxy will not stop keeping all the mitzvos, because for the most part, they ACTUALLY CARE.
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