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Health
I’m so confused.
Why is it a problem with copyright? You do know that quoting an excerpt from a book is not a copyright violation (furthermore I doubt the material can even be copyrighted)
At any rate,
Does it mention a difference based on the number of cars/vehicles involved?
Ubiquitin, I disagree. You’re not confused.
Health
Lol I did from copyright.gov website
“Copyright does not protect facts, ideas, systems, or methods of operation, although it may protect the way these things are expressed.”
Facts and ideas cant be copyrighted.
and as mentioned before, citing an excerpt isnt a copyright violation anyway.
“Look you conned me to research it myself, but I had posted on the first page s/o else should do it!”
Ok, youve lost me. This whole thread began on your theory that there should be a difference based on how many cars were involved (of course this isnt exactly how it began, but shifted that way)
Do you mean to say at the time you posted this thread, you hadnt even researche dit yet, and were “conned” into researching your own theory after my prodding?
“It wasn’t my responsibility to teach anything to EMS or Hatzolah.”
That is certainly true. Nobody asked you to open this thread. IT was all you. I guess out of the goodness of your heart.
“Why are you interested in this topic anyway?”
As I mentioned I find it fascinating when people can be shown to be wrong plainly and simply and still insit they are right.
For the most part, those are the threads I’m drawn to. Whether it is logicaly wrong or factually wrong. (I thought I said this before, in fact I beleive you stole my answer and submited it as your own)
“Do you just look for topics to find problems?”
No, but if i note a glaring factual error or illogical argument I often point it out.
” Do you attribute these problems because it’s a Yeshiva site?!?”
No, I’m not sure what that means.
Health
“”a glaring factual error or a illogical argument”?!?”
Your entire post! From the get go. You started with a given that there was a difference between different crashes that we should all research
(note I didnt comment yet, since there was nothing illogical yet)
you then said “In any car crash, even though there’s the possibility of a medical cause, it’s Not probable!But in 1 car crash, it has to be treated as a medical call, along with trauma.”
This is when I first commented.
This is both factually incorrect and illogical.
You subsequently addmited to the factually incorrect part in that it isnt actually any protocol but rather your suggestion (though at the time you did not indicate this at all).
since then pretty much every stamentyouve made in this thread was either factually incorrect, illogical or both!
Including your last post! “Of course I had it in my mind before I started this topic. But I never figured s/o would grill me on it!”
Is this logical to you? you make a statement, bully people who ask for response and you havent even researched it yourself in other words you werent sure it was correct?
Health
“I knew it in my mind,”
How did you know it before you researched it?
“The only thing I admitted was I used the word “only” and it was an exaggeration, but the rest was factual.”
nope you also admitted that there isn’t actually a difference (i.e. in practice, which is what this thread first was about (or at least seemed to be)), but rather you believe there should be.
(you also severely limited your case to late at night when there is no traffic, these limitations were not in the OP)
There is no “rest”.
Health
“-“(you also severely limited your case to late at night when there is no traffic, these limitations were not in the OP)”
What are you talking about?!? You are clueless!”
Now granted its hard to keep track of “the purpose of this topic” since it changed several times. But at that point you seemed to be saying that the only time a 1 car accident was “more probable” to be the result of drunk driving was late at night but during the day with two cars it wa sno mor likely (super sorry if I misunderstood, or if you changed your mind since then since you probably did, in which case forget that limitation)
“I knew it from many years ago. Your posts are getting more illogical!”
How? (for the third time)
and how did you expect others to research it?
“Look EMS should always look for medical causes, but they don’t! And this was the purpose of this topic.”
Agreed (except for hte “but they dont” part, I simply dont know), though that is not what you had said at first, nor is it how it was understood by anybody here.
There is no point in discussing anything with someone that will never admit that they were wrong and that always will have the last word.
Health is not even good at twisting the facts and the literature in his favor in fact he doesnt even point to the places where one would research emergency medicine data.
2scents
I know, it is my bizzare morbid fascination driving me
Health
“About why I decided there was a difference between 1 & 2 cars.
I wasn’t talking about the reality between 1 & 2.”
I’m sorry I dont follow. You said that medical conditions only need to be considred with one car (you later changed to at least need to be considered). One of those conditions was “drunk” when asked why it is more likely that a drunk would hit a tree (one car) than another car (2 cars) you replied that “At this time it’s late at night when there is no or not a lot of traffic around. But you’re right – it’s not more likely to hit a tree than a car when there is traffic around! ”
In other words during the day “when there is traffic around” It is NOT more likely that one car accident is caused by drunk driving than multiple cars. Is this not what you meant?
“The research that I was talking about I haven’t posted yet.
I’ll post it when I have the time! “
I’m so excited!
Do you have an approximate time frame for when itll be available?
Health
“For the umteenth time, that was just a response to a poster”
Nope, it is the second time. And As I said I misunderstood.
“But there is a difference between 1 & 2 that’s written in books. “
Whoah slow down. Earlier you admited this was your own chiddush.
Here : http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/treatment/page/3#post-590183
I thought we were making progress 🙁
“that’s written in books”
Please please please tell me one book (I dont need “books” one will suffice, where this is written.) Ive been asking no fewer than 10 times already. Others have also been asking.
That is really all I want to know.
If you want you can skip your “Research” (though I do look forward to your sharing it.
You can keep ignoring most of the direct questions Ive asked. Please just answer this one. What book says there is a difference based on the number of cars?
“””Is this not what you meant?” Yes, obviously.”
If it isnt what you meant My sincerest apologies.
“Do you do that to your wife also?”
Do what? I’m not sure how you made that connection
Do you mean ignore direct questions, and continuously change what you are saying while denying you did that, and refuse to apologize for insulting others and outright misleading/lying?. No that’s you. Do you do that to your wife?
“I’ll try for next week.”
I’m excited Though if easier, all i really want is the name of ONE book
that says “there is a difference between 1 & 2”
Is that too much to ask?
Mr Health,
Your the only one here calling themselves a medical professional, we were just calling you out on your ignorance, not using this in any way as a step ladder or claim on having any medical degree.
Your head is so wrapped around this online profile of yours claiming to be a medical provider and attacking anyone that questions or asks what type of provider you are. Yet you do not have any basic understanding on how medicine is practiced or medical research is done. You are fooling no one but yourself.
Looking forward to what spin?! Is it the one sentence you will find someplace in a google search on the 100th page?
Or you mean spin on something you found in an EMT book like Trauma are there medical causes?
Anyways, a Gut Vuch and take life easy
It wouldeve been easier to just tell me the name of any book that says “There is a difference between 1&2”
“Why can’t you wait till I have time? “
How long can that take?
how long is the title?
It has got to be shorter than your shortest post on this thread
Please please please, I am asking very nicely.
I just got here. Wow
ubiquitin,
Please please please, I am asking very nicely.
You’ll have to be patient. Health is writing the textbook now, and won’t know what the final title is until after it’s come back from the publisher.
🙂
Health
You said that “books” say “there is a difference between 1 & 2”
Hold off on posting the research for now (though I am excited to see it when you have more time)
Just a book title will do.
Thank you so much.
Avram lol
lol we’re still on this
Thanks a lot Health.
sorry to bother you but a few questions
1) First and formost, aAre yous ure you spelled the neame correctly a google search only reveales a 92 page report ojn invistigating mechanical casues (not medical) of an accident.
Are you sure regarding tuitle, can you please proivide author, or publisher to make it easier to find?
2) you realize you arent providing a book that says “there is a difference between 1 & 2” at least regarding medical causes. Right? (in fact it isnt even a book, where you telling the truth when you said this?
3) out of curiosity, Did you look this up before you started the thread or did you search for it afterwards?
Of course your gezeira shava skid marks-skid marks is also flawed but at least you provided some reasrch. thank you it is actually interesting
By the way, instead of differentiating between the numbe rof cars based on a tenious gezeira shava, why not differentiate based on presence of skidmarks?
(which is waht EMS world says)
Of course no one hired you to teach medicine and based on what you write no one will ever do that!
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Never mind health I found the book!!
thanks again
Your bekius is outstanding! you remeber from a book published in 1981 that it no way relates to medical managment?
I’m more than happy to explain why ypour entire gezeira shava is flawed. But I dont want to detract from earlier questions.
(briefly the non-contact veichle is not directly involved in the accident. EG Driver a is driving in Rt lane driver b swerves into rt lane forcing driver a off the road and into a tree. Driver b speeds off (driver b is the NCV that doesnt leave skid marks) driver a WOULD most liekly leave skid marks but either way such an accident involving a NCV is in no way related to a medical condition)
BTW i am truly impressed with your research, although it is probably your most illogical post to date, your persistence is truly remarkable.
Ive underestimated you. Kudos I knew it wouldnt dissapoint, and am glad we continued this long
Helath just saw your post. I found it thanks again.
“According to Merriam – Webster dictionary a magazine is one the definitions of “Book!”
Sorry for being petty, granted a magaize is as good as a book, that was a silly aside. My point is none of the sources you cited indicated “there is a difference between 1 & 2”
one source, incorrectly interpreted by you as explained, indicates that one car accidents dont leave skid marks (AGAIN THAT IS NOT WHAT THE BOOK SAYS, though cant fault you for misremebering such an old book)
another source said that no skid marks should prompt workup for medical managment. – this is actually interesting though not what you have been saying
You very cleverly made a gezeira shava between the two.
But no book/magazine /journal etc that tyou have thus far provided indicates that “there is a difference between 1 & 2”
“Again your whole post is geared towards proving me wrong!”
Yep, I grant that it is pretty petty at this point, and a waste of my time, but
a. I find your persistence fascinating
b. There isnt much else in the coffee room interesting to me now
c. I miss silly “hock” for hock’s sake from my yeshiva days (this is waht got me to the Coffee room in the first place)
d. Its been going this long, Im wondering how long we can keep it up. (believe it or not Ive actually grown quite fond of you. The “research” did not dissapoint)
not sure why my post is marked as edited. I dont think I wrote anything other than what is posted.
I edited out the insult.
Ok, I’m closing. This isn’t going anywhere.
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