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What does yeshivah world think of a girl who went to bais yaakov schools and then to seminary, going to touro college SCAS (mixed program), regarding shidduchim?
Lower your shidduch expectations.
Why do you prefer it over Touro’s other programs?
It depends on the girl if you just go in and out of class-no socializing it’s not a real issue. also depends on what type of guys your dating (If it’s solely to go to class-not a big deal in my opinion but if your going to touro why not go to touro thats separate?-if that’s a concern)
ur doing scas for a long time or just one semester? cuz scas doesnt have the greatest ppl in it…mainly blacks..
Onthemarket: Why are you going there? Is it the undergraduate or graduate SCAS division? The undergraduate is a problem in terms of tznius, like any other college. The graduate division, depending on your program, is generally not a problem and no one should question your going there.
I’ve had good experiences visiting classes in SCAS, but the other Jewish people in the class ranged from secular to MO Liberal types.
i think shes a girl so not a huge tznius prob.. more like good surrondings and classmates i think
torah613: Why is undergraduate more of a tznius problem than graduate study?
It is a positive to be in a controlled mixed environment. But then again, I wasn’t asking my shver for life support.
Check into Lander College for Women.
on the market: Most learning boys won’t care as long as you support:)
On the market: Lander College for Women in Manhattan also has day classes, has an honors program if you’re interested, and has kosher food in the cafeteria, as well as really nice fellow students. It’s only a few minutes extra from Brooklyn once you’re going to 23rd street. I would go to LCW if day classes is your only issue (that was my reason for not going to Flatbush too, and I was very happy with my choice.)
If you tell us your major, I can tell you what the positives and negatives are. I know the Touro system of undergrad pretty well. 🙂
Just go to Brooklyn College, it’s much cheaper and you’ll have the same Beis Yaakov (or yeshiva if you’re a guy) experience as Touro.
Truthsharer: No, you won’t. And if you’re smart, the Touro scholarships can make your tuition cheaper in Touro than anywhere else.
truthsharer: Don’t go there. That topic was already discussed and I agree, Brooklyn is a more affordable and better college. However, you’ll have a hard time convincing these people of that.
truthsharer -“Just go to Brooklyn College, it’s much cheaper and you’ll have the same Beis Yaakov (or yeshiva if you’re a guy) experience as Touro.”
How anybody here can push Brooklyn College after what they are allowing people over there to do with their Anti -Israel protest is beyond me. Nowadays being Anti-Israel, unless you’re NK, is just Antisemitism. Why would any Jew esp. a Frum one support such a school?
There are no learner/earner guys. Don’t waste your time looking for them or preening your pedigree for them.
So seeing as you are going to a mixed college anyway…why exactly did you choose SCAS? There are many cheaper options (that would give you a better education to boot).
If I can weigh in on various comments…
1. Based on the websites, Brooklyn College is just under $3,000 per semester (with fees) while SCAS is close to $6,500. LCW is upwards of $8,000. While I don’t doubt that SOME people get good enough scholarships from Touro to make it the cheaper option, I would think that those people are in the minority. (Very much in the minority.)
2. Assuming that you are not dorming, LCW is not THAT much more expensive than SCAS. But, like you said, it probably will slow you down.
3. I’m sure there are learner/earner guys out there.
4. I’m no expert shadchan or anything like that, but it seems to me that with 7 billion people in the world, you’ve got a match. I think good general advice would be to live your life – in the way you see as proper – and you’ll find someone who fits you. Are there SOME people who will not want to marry you because you went to Touro on 23rd street and not 60th? Probably. But considering that you don’t think there’s anything wrong with 23rd street, do you think that those are the people for you to marry?
5. Why is it that Neturei Karta is allowed to hate Israel but others aren’t?
6. Somebody asked for your major. Depending on your major, it really might make sense to steer clear of Touro.
on the market: Dating is a mixed setting by definition. Whoever is destined to marry you will marry you regardless of where you go. Like Popa wisely said, you really can’t try to make your life around the person you imagine will marry you, just do what is best for you now and will help you grow the most where you are.
On the topic, I am pretty sure that LCW in Manhattan is MUCH better than SCAS, I know a lovely person who transferred from SCAS there.
yea but thats my problem! That i know now that i am in a mixed college more then ever, how wrong and bad it is and how noooo frum person should be in his setting for ANY reason. What goes on there is horrible and i was even asked out a few times. so anyways my point is that I want a guy who disagrees with going to not jewish colleges, but then im contradicting myself because i am in one…
On the market: That is a problem. It’s not terrible to be asked out, merely uncomfortable, but it doesn’t seem that you want to be the type of person whom one usually finds in that setting.
You can’t realistically ask for something that you really aren’t holding by, so if you are serious about wanting a frummer type of boy, who, were he to ch”v (jk) go to college, would be in a frum one, you probably should switch to a frum college.
In general, a mixed college is a bad place for a girl to be. I don’t know what it’s like for boys, but I find it very difficult. You can’t be too friendly or unfriendly, you have to make sure nothing you say can ever be misunderstood and there are constant challenges.
how wrong and bad it is and how noooo frum person should be in his setting for ANY reason.
If that’s what you believe, then WHY ARE YOU THERE.
“That i know now that i am in a mixed college more then ever, how wrong and bad it is and how noooo frum person should be in his setting for ANY reason.”
on the market:
If that’s really what you believe, maybe you should switch. Based on the calculations I listed earlier, the monetary difference between different Touro schools is not that great (though it might take longer in a different school and I obviously don’t know your financial situation).
Anyway, since you seem to really be concerned about this, let me just say that I’m guessing the majority of people you’d be interested in wouldn’t have a problem dating someone who went to SCAS. (Though I should say that I’m not entirely sure what you’re looking for; I’ve heard the term learner-earner used, but I don’t think I’ve ever heard it defined.)
Also, I think a lot of frum people wold disagree with you about being in a mixed college setting. For example, BJJ’s founder got a doctorate from Columbia. (I don’t know, but) I would guess that she didn’t think it was such a horrible thing.
Torah
Non Jewish men are asking you out?!
On the market: It sounds like you really want to switch, but have other reasons you are not telling us that is making this a major challenge. That’s fine but you really need to think on it.
WIY: It would be so much better if it was Jewish men who aren’t frum?
Edit: It’s not like it happens all the time, and I make it pretty clear I’m not interested if I so much as sense interest. But I can’t even imagine what it’s like for someone straight out of BY.
a bit of a late reply, but
on the market, if you were asked out a few times in just a few months, maybe consider if you’re being too friendly?
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