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You do not have to agree with Rav Shach either, I am not a Chabadnick, but I respect many things that they do, Rav Shach was an old time misnagid.
It does not make you a Koifer if you think Chabad does many good things.
Rav Schach was very clear and adament that he was not against all chassidus, but rather, he took very strong issue specifically with things Chabad was doing.
Rav Shach was very far from being a misnagid. He had very close relationships with numerous Chasidishe gedolim. And he was impressed with and highly complimented certain Chasidishe hanhagos.
We are speaking about specifically Chabad, and he had issues with them even before the Rebbe passed away
DY & Joseph – +1. Additionally, I am sure that Rav Shach, zatsal, himself thought that Chabad does many good things.
Additionally, we aren’t necessarily even talking about agreeing with Rav Shach but about not saying that he was wrong.
Also, as I pointed out by Rav Avigdor Miller, it’s not a question of whether or not you agree with his conclusions; the issue is that you are saying that he did something wrong by giving a reason for a tragedy.
If Rav Shach, zatsal gave a reason for a tragedy, then you cannot say it is wrong to do so (for someone on Rav Shach’s level).
We are speaking about specifically Chabad
You said he was an old time misnaged. The old time misnagdim were against all chassidus.
“According to some here, Every event, no matter where it is, is a message from hashem we should do tshuva, and my whole point was Its not so and cannot be so , especially nowdadys when we hear about the latest events almost instantanious from places we never heard of and cannot easily find on the map without help”
It appears that according to a certain poster here, that because he peruses the internet all day, the lessons taught to us by Chazal, about what we have to understand from tragedies, do not apply any more. The internet has made Chazal no longer applicable.
And that one who follows the words of Koheles, (7, 20) is following a Christian Ideology.
Additionally, I am sure that Rav Shach, zatsal, himself thought that Chabad does many good things.
Why are you sure?
I don’t know; maybe I shouldn’t be sure. I guess I was basing that on a few things:
1. There was a certain institution that he came out against very strongly, yet there were times when he told specific people to go there.
2. Someone told me that he told a particular person to marry someone Lubavitch.
3. Chabad wasn’t considered a problem until a certain point, and then it only became a problem for specific reasons, so the other aspects of it should still be good.
4. Because they do do good things (at least I think they do).
But I could be wrong.
“You said he was an old time misnaged. The old time misnagdim were against all chassidus.”
+1, and I would also just add/clarify that the point was that ZD implied that it was BECAUSE Rav Shach was an old time misnaged that he was against Chabad, and that is the point that DY & Joseph were refuting. He wasn’t against Chabad because he was a misnaged; he was against Chabad because of problems in Chabad specifically.
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