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Most of us know that Chinese products in general and food in particular made in china is at best inferior quality.
There is hardly any oversight in the manufacturing products so why would anyone just consume food and candy made in China without any concern?
the fact that it has or may have a good hashgacha has nothing to do with the quality of the food or candy product.
Would love to hear what others have to say.If you live there, you might not have a choice.
Why would you assume their food is of inferior quality, and not, say, your iphone 10?
If you trust the company, you take into account their quality control processes to make sure the product is safe.
@yitzchokm
As I have been to China many times in the past 21 years, I have seen the corruption and dishonesty in the Chinese processed food industry.
When the government is your automatic 50% partner, factory owners and manager look for ways to make their own fortunes. Great fortunes are made in this manner, but the risk is high. Every year scoundrels are caught sabotaging food supply and the typical response is a swift execution. Much of this does not hit the foreign press.The CTL family Greyhound fell victim to tainted Chinese processed food exported to the USA back about 2007. A large processor of component ingredients for animal food was substituting fake wheat gluten for real. Major American brands used the fake wheat gluten and thousands of animals and some humans were injured and/or died. Our Greyhound, a retired loser at the race track which we had rescued) was fed a dry food made by Iams (I can mention the name here, because Iams paid a settlement in the case). Instead of wheat gluten it contained melamine. This caused her kidneys to fail. We incurred more than $8,000 in Veterinary expenses and she suffered for 8 weeks until she died.
I was in China earlier this year, I ate only fresh fruits and vegetables, steamed rice and packaged items I brought with me.
We do not buy or use package Chinese produced food products exported to the USA. This is not to say that we may not be fed such items when eating at a relative’s home or restaurant. We may not buy that can of mushrooms labelled ‘Made in China’ but have no way of knowing if someone else is serving such an item to us.
Our dogs no longer eat any commercial pet food. They have a diet of turkey, sweet potatoes and peas which we cook for them.
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It is not necessarily a matter of inferior quality, but honesty. I certainly trusted Iams, and had fro many years. They were duped by the dishonest food supplier in China. BTW, about half a dozen Chinese factory executives implicated in this fraud were executed.Quality control only tests a small sample of product and is not the same as food safety examination. Quality control tests the looks, size, taste, feel, smell etc. of the food. Is it to the company’s standards? Does it look like the picture on the label?
The example cited did not have a hecksher. Has anyone found similar products with foods produced in China that did have a proper hecksher?
When the government is your automatic 50% partner, factory owners and manager look for ways to make their own fortunes.
I don’t understand. Could you explain that?
What are China’s safety standards? Are they the same for human food as for dogs?
@RebYidd23
again, the dog food was manufactured in the USA using a component (wheat gluten) produced in China.
China has many standards on the books that are routinely ignored@DovidBT
The Chinese government owns 50% of all non-mom and pop businesses. They set the managers’ and co-owners’ salaries. They decide profit splits. The managers and co-owners want to reap the benefits of their labors and often break the law to do so.
For the past year I have been working with a Chinese Banker to establish a Trust to send hand support his son in the US for high school college and graduate school. In May the Chinese government unilaterally cut salaries of all top bank officers by 50%. He is now approving loans to himself and family members form the bank at set rates, and set up a syndicate to invest the funds and keep the profits for himself to compensate for the salary cuts.
This is the type of action that takes place often@Akuperma
The Iams dog food did not have a heckscher and used here and was not manufactured in China. The fake wheat gluten was a food component made in China under kosher supervision and exported. It was used in both animal and human foods. The effects on animal kidneys by small amounts of melamine was far greater than human kidneys.@takes2
The OP asked if you would eat it, not if it exists.
I go to the supermarket and see many kosher cottage cheese, yogurt and sour cream containers…but I won’t eat them. I don’t like the product, doesn’t matter that it’s kosher or not.Same with cars, would you prefer your new Volvo or Cadillac be made in Sweden or United States or in Communist Red China?
I’m with CTL on pet food. As to people food, I’m not going to chance it. I find it interesting that many people who distrust food packaged in China (or in the far east) will still buy talapia farmed in China or salmon farmed and processed in China.
@Takes2
I don’t know why someone added phones to a food discussion, or the newest one who wanted to know if you wanted your Cadillac or Volvo made in “Communist Red China”Is there a Non-Communist Red China?
Personally I wouldn’t want a Cadillac made anywhere, never liked GM cars and the last Volvo I had was a 1976 264 GL. I’m very happy driving my English made car, but I’m typing on a Chinese made computer nd have no problem with that.
That said, I’d not be eating any of these thingsProof that CTLAWYER is not Michel Lotito.
@yehudayona
I’m also not a sword swallowerTakes2, you had me going until the part about salt. Sea salt and Himalayan pink salt are safer than “industrial salt?” Presumably “industrial salt” is mined salt, which is quite pure NaCl, certainly purer than sea salt or pink salt.
no one here yet discussed kashrus.
maybe badatx should not give a hechsher on chinese candiesTakes Two, that’s the reason I mentioned it, people need to learn about unsustainably grown farmed fish. These fish are also fed a great many fungicides to keep them ‘healthy’. I read about a sustainable talapia farm out in Montana or South Dakota, a while ago. It’s an interesting operation and bio culture. I’m happy to live where fresh fish are wild, safe and reasonably priced.
(Mr. Lotito’s been deceased since 2007.)
The same melamine contamination also happened to Chinese-manufactured infant formula. In 2008 six babies died, 50,000 were hospitalized with some degree of kidney dysfunction. I read labels and donât eat any food from China.
Takes2-2tango
I didn’t take you as a conspiracy theorist but taking advice from a cockamamie website doesn’t make you look smarter.The fact is that it’s virtually impossible to eat food today without Chinese ingredients.
marbehshalom
Regarding the hecsher, why would there be a problem?If it’s not safe and checked who on earth made it kosher?
yitzchokm, it may be virtually impossible to eat prepared foods without Chinese ingredients, but basic foods are probably free of them, unless otherwise indicated. BTW, one of the heimishe brands of dry yeast is made in China. Ironically, Red Star brand isn’t — it’s made in Mexico.
Shopping613, it’s safe. And kosher. See? Problem solved.
yehudayona, true. But most people come across processed food most of the time. In one way or another
“Empire of Red Gold” is documentary of how the Chinese have cornered the processed tomato market world wide. That can of tomato paste your spouse used for dinner tonight likely came from China. The tomatoes were grown and processed in China shipped back to different processors in 55 gallon drums and reprocessed (adding, sugar, salt etc) and canned on consumer sized containers. This film also addresses some of the constituents added when the tomatoes are processed into highly concentrated pastes.
Takes2-2tango
I personally know Mashgichim in China. They’re not the idiots you make them out to be
Takes2 toTango, pretty sure lots of kashrus is mixed in with health issues, like not eating bugs, blood, etc.
If the mashgichim have to lie there, than how do I know the hechesher doesn’t lie in other places?I personally wouldn’t eat the hechsher at all then.
“Maybe you should learn to read the entire article before responding.”
as hard as it was, I read your entire nonsense. all of it. When the FDA alerts us of a problem I’ll bite. Until then, please keep your ideas to yourself, especially when you’re alarming an entire community.
Are you saying the hechsher doesn’t know that they are being lied to?
If so you should report this to them.
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