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October 27, 2015 5:31 am at 5:31 am #616565sm29Participant
A friend of mine mentioned to me how they feel it’s very important to say Good Shabbos. It shows good middos and Ahavas Yisrael. What do you think?
October 27, 2015 11:12 am at 11:12 am #1108262TheGoqParticipantI agree. its the mentchlicht thing to do i know this thread will spiral into other directions but the answer is yes your friend is right.
October 27, 2015 11:51 am at 11:51 am #1108263☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantI get very offended when people say Good Shabbos to me. I’m pretty sure they mean well, but I still get offended.
October 27, 2015 1:05 pm at 1:05 pm #1108264skripkaParticipanti’ll spiral it in other directions, i have made a study of people in boro park in both the winter in the summer, wanting to see if A) they deserve the reputation of being mean and not answering when you tell them good shabbos andB) if the season makes a difference. i am not totally done my survey ( which has taken about a year so far) but so far A) 87% of people answered me ( or those others that i drafted to help me) with more answers in the earlier hours and from people walking alone andB) for some reason, a higher percentage of people answered in the winter then in the summer.
any thoughts on why this is?
October 27, 2015 2:02 pm at 2:02 pm #1108265Mrs. DParticipantReally, DaasYochid? Offended? I’m trying to understand – unless that was tongue-in-cheek – is it because you suspect the motives? Do you feel like someone is trying to be irritatingly mekarev you? Or that you might just be a part of skripjka’s statistical study? I’d actually like to hear you expand on your comment.
October 27, 2015 2:42 pm at 2:42 pm #1108266Reb not RabbiMemberIs it menchlach or not necessary for a man to wish Good Shabbos to women he passes in the street. I think older women one should definitely say good shabbos, my question is to the same age women or younger?
October 27, 2015 3:04 pm at 3:04 pm #1108267WolfishMusingsParticipantA friend of mine mentioned to me how they feel it’s very important to say Good Shabbos. It shows good middos and Ahavas Yisrael. What do you think?
Well, I guess I show good middos and Ahavas Yisroel only one day out of every seven…
The Wolf
October 27, 2015 3:28 pm at 3:28 pm #1108268zogt_besserParticipantMeh. Do you say hi to every frum stranger you meet on a normal day? Why should Shabbos be any different, and how does a two word greeting strengthen ahavas yisroel?
October 27, 2015 3:52 pm at 3:52 pm #1108269Little FroggieParticipantZB: That is part of Kovod Shabbos. To greet (even strangers) with a ‘Gut Shabbos’.
October 27, 2015 3:54 pm at 3:54 pm #1108270Little FroggieParticipantAnd Mrs. D: Welcome to the CR!
<CAUTION> You’ll get used to it!
October 27, 2015 4:59 pm at 4:59 pm #1108271zogt_besserParticipantLF- In Hilchos Shabbos perek 30, rambam lists all the actions that are subsumed under kavod Shabbos, and saying a special greeting to people is not on the list. If you know of any sources that say it is, I’d love to hear it.
October 27, 2015 5:11 pm at 5:11 pm #1108272KolMevaserMemberZogt besser: Here is the Mkor – last weeks Parsha: Veheyai Berocho
Shabbos is the Mekor Haberocho – So be a sport and bentch a fellow Yid.
October 27, 2015 5:17 pm at 5:17 pm #1108273☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantReally, DaasYochid? Offended?
No, not really.
I’d actually like to hear you expand on your comment.
I’m just making fun of how some people seem to think it’s a mitzvah to get offended by naarishkeit (nothing to do with the OP).
October 27, 2015 5:25 pm at 5:25 pm #1108274Little FroggieParticipantZB: It’s part of how we’re ???? our ?????.
October 27, 2015 5:31 pm at 5:31 pm #1108275zogt_besserParticipantLF- source? I’ve never seen ???? ??? interpreted to mean that one has to wish a good Shabbos to people. If you have a mekor for any of this I’ll retract, but at this point I’m skeptical that greeting other people is part of the halachic category of kavod Shabbos. As I said before, it’s not in rambam or s”a.
October 27, 2015 5:37 pm at 5:37 pm #1108276beginnerParticipantMishna brura says to say Good Shabbos or Shabbos Shalom.
“Is it menchlach or not necessary for a man to wish Good Shabbos to women he passes in the street”
From what I hear, in most circumstances, the women don’t expect or want a greeting from men,
October 27, 2015 6:16 pm at 6:16 pm #1108277WolfishMusingsParticipantIs it menchlach or not necessary for a man to wish Good Shabbos to women he passes in the street. I think older women one should definitely say good shabbos, my question is to the same age women or younger?
I make it a point to say “Good Shabbos” to all Jews on Shabbos*. And I say “Good morning/afternoon/evening” to those who don’t seem to be Jewish.
The Wolf
* Yes, there are exceptions. If a group of people are walking by all talking among themselves, I’m not going to interrupt them for my “Good Shabbos.” But for the most part, yes, I try to greet everyone that I reasonably can.
October 27, 2015 8:49 pm at 8:49 pm #1108278TheGoqParticipant“Do you say hi to every frum stranger you meet on a normal day?”
Growing up oot we did this.
October 27, 2015 9:10 pm at 9:10 pm #1108279JosephParticipantOOT you don’t bump into dozens of people every few blocks.
October 27, 2015 9:28 pm at 9:28 pm #1108280🍫Syag LchochmaParticipantJoseph – regardles of whether or not it’s true, what’s your source for that? I figured you as someone who’s never left brooklyn.
October 27, 2015 9:28 pm at 9:28 pm #1108281WolfishMusingsParticipantOOT you don’t bump into dozens of people every few blocks.
I live in Brooklyn. I don’t bump into dozens of people every few blocks either.
The Wolf
October 27, 2015 9:30 pm at 9:30 pm #1108282🍫Syag LchochmaParticipantwolf – sure you do, you just didn’t realize it because none of them said “hi”
October 27, 2015 9:37 pm at 9:37 pm #1108283👑RebYidd23ParticipantI’m offended when someone says good shabbos to my children. Just because they have ADD doesn’t mean it’s okay for strangers to say good shabbos to them.
October 27, 2015 9:40 pm at 9:40 pm #1108284🍫Syag LchochmaParticipantyou lost me on that one
October 27, 2015 9:42 pm at 9:42 pm #1108285mik5Participantzogt_besser: The Shla HaKodesh says that on Shabbos we should greet one another with Gut Shabbos and not Good morning, etc.
Rebbe Akiva Eiger says that by saying Gut Shabbos, one fulfills a Torah commandment of “zachor es yom hashabbos lekadsho.”
October 27, 2015 9:43 pm at 9:43 pm #1108286WolfishMusingsParticipantwolf – sure you do, you just didn’t realize it because none of them said “hi”
Actually, I don’t. I know because my wife and I actively try to say “Good Shabbos” to them going to and from shul.
The Wolf
October 27, 2015 9:52 pm at 9:52 pm #1108287JosephParticipantI live in Brooklyn. I don’t bump into dozens of people every few blocks either.
Brooklyn is very large, with over two million residents. Some frum Brooklyn neighborhoods are more congested than others. And some people walk more blocks than you do.
Walking down four or so avenues in some Brooklyn neighborhoods, on some streets during some parts of the day, you can pass by about a couple dozen people between both sides of the street and intersections you pass.
Without nitpicking every word like it’s a gemorah, the point is you pass a lot more pedestrians in parts of NYC than you do in many other places.
October 27, 2015 10:31 pm at 10:31 pm #1108288WolfishMusingsParticipantWithout nitpicking every word like it’s a gemorah, the point is you pass a lot more pedestrians in parts of NYC than you do in many other places.
No, the point was to rebut Syag’s assertion that I do pass that many people but don’t realize it.
Of course some parts of Brooklyn are more crowded than others. I never denied that.
The Wolf
October 27, 2015 11:04 pm at 11:04 pm #1108289JosephParticipantWhatcha talkin ’bout Mr. Wolf? I made a comment. You quoted and replied to my comment. I quoted and replied to your comment to me. Where does Syag fit into this picture?
October 27, 2015 11:23 pm at 11:23 pm #1108290WolfishMusingsParticipantWhatcha talkin ’bout Mr. Wolf? I made a comment. You quoted and replied to my comment. I quoted and replied to your comment to me. Where does Syag fit into this picture?
I was responding to him, above. That’s why I always quote the people I’m responding to in italics, to avoid this sort of misunderstanding.
The Wolf
October 27, 2015 11:58 pm at 11:58 pm #1108291☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantWhatcha talkin ’bout Mr. Joseph?
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/time-to-say-good-shabbos#post-586001
October 28, 2015 12:18 am at 12:18 am #1108292JosephParticipantYou quoted me in italics, not her.
Conversation Flow:
Joseph: OOT you don’t bump into dozens of people every few blocks.
Wolf: I live in Brooklyn. I don’t bump into dozens of people every few blocks either.
Joseph: Brooklyn is very large, with over two million residents…
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Without nitpicking every word like it’s a gemorah, the point is you pass a lot more pedestrians in parts of NYC than you do in many other places.
Wolf: No, the point was to rebut Syag’s assertion that I do pass that many people but don’t realize it.
Syag was a different conversation with you. Not this.
October 28, 2015 12:44 am at 12:44 am #1108293🍫Syag LchochmaParticipantJoseph tzodek
October 28, 2015 4:29 am at 4:29 am #1108294sm29ParticipantIn regards to greeting during the week, my friend mentioned about that too, that people should greet every day. Even if it’s not halacha, it’s still the right thing to do. Like Shamai says in Pirkei Avos, that we should receive people with a pleasant face. One small thing can help to improve in middos, respect and ahavas yisroel.
October 29, 2015 12:24 pm at 12:24 pm #1108295TheGoqParticipantI often wish stranger’s a good morning, who wouldn’t like a smile and greeting to start the day?
October 29, 2015 8:33 pm at 8:33 pm #1108296the plumberMemberAlthough sometimes i try to say good shabbos to ppl, it is not mandatory.
I’ve been in Brooklyn, queens, Chicago, and all the communities are the same, you get some who say it some who don’t.
I personally think that if the person is a stranger there is no reason to greet them.
Shabbos shouldn’t really make for a difference in getting ppl.
October 29, 2015 10:28 pm at 10:28 pm #1108297Little FroggieParticipantI tried.. I offered someone Good Shabbos today, and they thought I was crazy..
(ps – I really am)
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