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April 30, 2020 11:26 am at 11:26 am #1855298HaimyParticipant
We don’t know the answer today & we won’t know it a month from now if we don’t begin easing the restrictions & see if the infection rate remains low. How long should we continue like this “Because we don’t know?”. Let’s start with some really meaningful steps like allowing most small businesses to reopen with strict guidelines like open windows, facemasks, & only a few people under 55 to enter. Otherwise, we’ll be left with this question forever.
April 30, 2020 1:55 pm at 1:55 pm #1855423☕️coffee addictParticipantHaimy,
That’s not exactly true
Maybe if we opened up the cases wouldn’t decline as fast as if we stay closed
May 1, 2020 8:12 am at 8:12 am #1855740n0mesorahParticipantDear Haimy,
We do not know. But the experts who study it, have some idea. Us not knowing or knowing is irrelevant. It will not be going on forever. Wuhan was under total lockdown for only 76 days. Their economy could recover very slowly now. But if they have another outbreak there, they will be bankrupt. Then they will have no recovery at all.May 1, 2020 8:55 am at 8:55 am #1855790jdf007ParticipantChina has tracking and tracing – probably one of the most “invasive” in the world. There are miniature outbreaks and they quickly lock down blocks or neighborhoods. Technically, a lockdown in China means you do not go outside at all. If they let you, you go out once every 3 days and this gets logged. Similar in other places too.
Regardless, China’s problem is other nations not wanting to bother to contain the outbreak in 76 days. Can’t sell things if there are no buyers. That shows the dependency if anything in my opinion and their real problem. No one else eradicating the disease. They can produce, no one to buy. And then there’s the retaliation, tariffs, etc.May 3, 2020 7:42 am at 7:42 am #1856162n0mesorahParticipantDear Jdf,
The bankruptcy that Wuhan is facing is not because of international trade. (China leverages the currency and interest etc.) It is because a lack of commerce on the local level. People are not acting the same as they were before the virus. Shopping less, traveling less, and so on. No business = no rent = no mortgage = no property = no taxes = no services. It is pretty much an international formula. May Hashem replenish all our losses.May 4, 2020 4:05 pm at 4:05 pm #1856866HaimyParticipantThe Rabbonim in Lakewood have permitted Davening with a minyon metzumzum & learning with a chavrusa 6 feet apart from each other. Our Children are missing a tremendous amount of learning because the schools are closed. I propose that we arrange 1 Rebbi for every 9 children with 6 feet between them & preferably outdoors. This is legal & safe & would be a big improvement over the current telephone system. Yeshivos should hire substitutes to teach & also fill in for older rebbeim who should remain in isolation.
May 4, 2020 7:19 pm at 7:19 pm #1856913GadolhadorahParticipantIf we want to be transparent about the public policy choices in “reopening” there should be an explicit statement by each jurisdiction as to how many deaths among our vulnerable populations (aka over 65, weak immune systems, etc.) they are willing to accept in order to save jobs. That metric, (acceptable deaths per 1000 jobs saved) is likely to vary among jurisdictions. For example, the Lt. Governor of Texas last week suggested that some things (e.g. getting your hair done or a confederate flag tattoo on you behind)) “are more important that saving life” . Hopefully, the lives of vulnerable groups have a higher value in other parts of the country.
May 4, 2020 7:59 pm at 7:59 pm #1856945☕️coffee addictParticipant“For example, the Lt. Governor of Texas last week suggested that some things (e.g. getting your hair done or a confederate flag tattoo on you behind)) “are more important that saving life” .“
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Proof positive we need to get schools running again
May 4, 2020 10:22 pm at 10:22 pm #1856956GadolhadorahParticipantCA: Agreed….or as an alternative, making sure your spellcheck is activated when posting.
On a serious note, the Texas Lt. Gov was making a point that what he considered to be over-the partial shutdowns don’t even come close to the sacrifices in personal rights we have made as a nation in other periods in times of national emergency. The case of Georgia, in particular, which prioritized opening of hair salons and tattoo parlors last week was indicative of this risk-taking to reaching government rules on social distancing etc. was a denial of his personal liberty and that to him, life without liberty etc. My sarcasm reflects my belief that while inconvenient and stressful, satisfy their right wing and libertarian political constituencies who insist that reliance on “personal responsibility” is sufficient. We shall see. I am skeptical.
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