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Why is it such a ” minhag” to have milchigs Thu night? I mean making baked ziti, or some form of pasta or whatever milchig dish you like , is not any easier than dumping chicken in the oven. So why do people obsess over it? Same is true for Motzai shabbos pizza, which almost is a halacha 🙂
FWIW, I’ve never heard of this “minhag.” Nor do I obsess of pizza on Motzei Shabbos (or after Pesach for that matter).
The Wolf
Thursday night is not milchigs in every house. It isn’t in mine!
If you refer to supper as dinner, im not surprised you cant understand.
Toi:
Excellent. You took the words right out of my mouth.
Milchigs on Thursday? Pizza on motzei Shabbos? I didn’t grow up in a cave and yet I’ve never heard of either.
by refraining from fleishigs on thursday night, one enhances the kavod shabbos of having meat on Shabbos.
My parents do it to make the fleishigs friday night ‘more special’.
by refraining from fleishigs on thursday night, one enhances the kavod shabbos of having meat on Shabbos.
But, on the other hand, one who does eat meat Thursday night (as I am tonight) does not detract from the kavod of Shabbos.
The Wolf
It’s the same reason that people have Chinese food for Monday lunch!
What’s the source for the minhag of Chinese food on Monday night?
The minhag of pizza Thursday night goes back in my neighborhood at least 20 years.
Wolf – thank you for that post!!!! It was positive and upbeat and informative! A real A+ of a post!
we dont have set suppers for different days of the week, but i prefer milchigs thursday nites because the next 3 meals i sit down to will be fleishig, and i like milchig better! 🙂
if i had to make up a reason for pizza it’d be that the mothers (or fathers) spent thursday and friday cooking and baking, and now after everyone cleans up from shabbos, anyone would appreciate a night off from preparing supper.
I never heard of milchigs on Thursday nights. Back in the states my standing Thursday night dinner was always a deli sandwich and a knish – preferably kasha.
The offset the opinion of the tzedukim who held cold foods has to be eaten on shabbos, jewish mothers everywhere instituted the practice of ordering pizza for their children several hours before their husbands returned home from the beis midrash or from work, so that by the time they returned it would be cold. This way they could point to thursday nights cold food and say, see it is not davka shabbos the food is cold, we are not tzedukim.
For us Yeshiva guys, Thursday night is Cholent time, ?? ??? ?????!!!
So someone brought cholent tonight to the bais medrash in which I learn at night. So my chavrusa taynas* that cholent on Thursday night takes away
from the kovod of Shabbos. What does everyone think about that?
*Which reminds me that I have to fast tomorrow so maybe I shouldn’t have eaten it for a different reason.
DaasYochid
Halachically its baba meisas. In many yeshivos they serve cholent and kugel on a regular basis and have cholent Thursday nights. If there was a problem it would have been brought up by now. If you want to make up a chumrah kol hakavod.
like many many yeshiva bochurim, i used to eat cholent thursday night too when i was a bochur, until i was told to reserve that specific ma’achol for shabbos day. there should always be a special food, or drink perhaps, that enhances and adds quality to the ‘specialness’ of shabbos. its not JUST our clothes, or the nusach of davening, that makes this day different from all the other days.
that lesson really resonated for me and, while i can’t say i gave up my thursday night cholent completely, but i do have a special nosh or something i buy specially for shabbos every week.
WIY, it’s not a halachic issue per se, it is an issue of sensitivity, and I think tzaddiq expressed it well.
My thinking was that he had a point, but OTOH, it’s not as if it’s served on Tuesday. Having cholent on Thursday night seems to me to be an expression of enthusiasm that Shabbos is coming.
Anyhow, it was good. And my chavrusa had kugel.
Who here was Machmir not to eat meat (or drink wine) last night because it’s a Leil before a Ta’anis?
Not I, obviously. I should probably look into it more.
DY: Nah. It’s probably a Chumra that a total of 2 people on earth keep. It is interesting, though.
Sam, and you thought maybe one of them is on the CR? 🙂
Well, one of them is. 😉
The only thing Thursday night brings to mind is flieshigs. Thursday night I usually go to the local heimishe deli and load up on chulent, schnitzel, and eggrolls (?) and after that I go learn where, of course, there is a pot full of chulent for everyone.
Sam, all the more reason to think you wouldn’t get a positive reply. 😉
Onegoal, then why buy cholent at the deli?
I guess it would be because Shabbos is full of fleishig meals, so it’s just nice to do milchigs the night before. It ain’t Halacha or even minhag. As to Pizza on Motzai Shabbos – what else ya gonna eat? Do you really want to prepare ANOTHER meal?
PS I usually have Cheerios and milk after Shabbos.
DY: It’s chicago, you wouldn’t understand.
Something in the water there?
Something in the deli here.
can you say, “Romanian salami?”
We don’t have anything special now on Thursday nights, but back in the old days (pre-aliyah) we would have deli sandwiches and salads. They were easy to make, good for eating on paper plates, and kept everyone out of the kitchen so my wife could cook for Shabbat.
Sam, I saw where the ??”?, as quoted by the ?”?, as quoted by the ?”?, says that a baal nefesh starts the fast at night. I also saw that someone who can’t fast should still avoid wine and meat, and it kind of makes sense to apply that to the night before, but do you know of an explicit source for your chumrah?
My mother held to this minhag, and would never serve fleishigs on Thursday night.
My husband most decidedly does not hold by this minhag, and enjoys fleishigs at every opportunity.
DY: It’s a Rama in Hilchos Niddah. 🙂
Where?
DY: I don’t know the Siman offhand. It’s by where he says what to do if one is Boel Ishto Niddah B’shogeg. And then see what the Achronim (I think quoted in the Pischei T’shuvah) say there.
I will bl”n try to find it.
??”? ?’ ???”? ?????? ??????. ??? ???? ?? ???? ?????, ???? ????? ???? ?? ????? ??? ?????, ????”? ???? ???? ???? ?????
but I’d like to see the Maharsha”l inside.
I’m sitting here enjoying my cholent and schnitzel. Thats a real thursday night tradition.
And tomorrow’s not even a ?????!
them is fightin words crdle!!
You tell him Goq!
It wasn’t onegoal, it was me.
I would not purposely eat cholent on Thursday night, based SOLELY on the idea that it is a food that is made especially l’kovod Shabbos. And no, I don’t typically eat gefilte fish during the week, either, though it is not necessarily a “Shabbos” food (but cholent by its nature, is).
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