Three Weeks & Music 🗓️🎹

Shouldnt this be taken up with YWN directly?

it’s the same as any other thing that is offered by yidden and you can’t accept. Why are FRUM clothing shop owners selling untznius/unfitting clothes? True They shouldn’t but it’s our choice , we have bechira to chose the right from wrong. Applies to music… and anything else. (BTW – many poskim hold accapella is also assur)

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We are talking about the Churban Bais Hamikdosh here and the 2000 years of painful golus. What does it say about us if for 3 weeks we can’t go without music. We need “Heteirim” to listen to music? The fact that we can’t go 3 weeks without music during the time of Aveilus for the Bais Hamikdosh is truly something we should be crying and saying kinnos over.

apushatayid:

Indeed, hashkofos are always important.

You should be following the spirit of the law, not just the letter of the law.

Why would someone who doesn’t listen to music be listening to YWN Radio during the 3 weeks? The only people who are listening to it are those who do listen to recorded music anyway so why should YW deprive these people of a great source of good Jewish music?

The only question I can see here is for those people in between who listen to Acapella. The question is why doesn’t YW provide that. I assume that they didn’t bother making any changes to the YWN Radio because that would cost money and would take away from the Moderators’ salaries.

http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/735275/Rabbi_Zvi_Sobolofsky/Halachot_of_the_Three_Weeks_(Shaving,_Music,_and_Parties)_-_Part_1_

This is Rabbi Sobolofsky who goes into detail regarding the Halachot, including the opinion of Rav Feinstein ZTL. Its important to understand that just because someone listens to music all year long or during the 3 weeks, doesn’t mean they are committing an aveirah or going against halacha. Anyone who thinks such is obviously misinformed of the actual differing opinions. It’s important for people to follow their Rav and ask their own sheilah.

Why cant this music be for the sefardim, who only keep shevua shechol boi tisha b’av?

Those who are ashkeneizi should have self control not to press the play button.

Is it not similar to shabbos? When shabbos come in, in E.Y, it is still Fri in USA. The israelis are not mechalel shabbos to listen to music just because YWN are playing it?

Just went to double check my book on the 3 weeks and I was correct. Quote from book Halachot and History of the Three weeks “Shaare Rahamim Halachot Series”

1.” Music is forbidden because it leads to joy. No distinction is made between live music at a party or music from a radio or tape, even listened to in private. This ban is upheld by Rabbi Ovadiah Yosef, Shilta, and Rabbi Moshe Feinstein, Zt’l.”

2. “Group singing should not be engaged (e.g. in camp) but singing to Hashem, i.e. during Prayer, is permitted.”

3. “One who earns his livelihood in the music field is permitted to work until Rosh Chodesh, Av. However, on the seventeenth of Tammaus and from Rosh Chodesh (including Rosh Chodesh)till Tishah B’Av, he should refrain from doing so.”

BUMP

May Moshiach come first!

SiDitrade;

Shopping, as you can see if you read this thread there are many different opinions/minhagim regarding this. Some are machmir not to listen to even accapela and others will even listen to recorded music. Some are more machmir during 3 weeks then during sefira, others are not. Personally, I try to follow the spirit of the halacha and therefore try to avoid acapela that is rocky but will listen to slow, hartzig acapela songs, especially ones that have to do with Yerushalayim, the churban, etc.

There are two types of singing without music: Something like the Maccabeats, which is one guy singing and the others making sounds r singing as the music – that may be assur and is definitely not in the spirit. You can also get something like Dudi Kalish, which is just a choir of people harmonizing – no music. THat is even in the spirit of Sefira to listen to.

Apushatayid: Rav Moshe does Assur listening to music all year round (OC 1:167, if I recall correctly). People are confused about this because in YD 2:54 (give or take a few Simanim, maybe 56) he explains a different Shittah. But it’s clear (to me, at least) that he holds like the T’shuvah in OC 1.

Shopping: I think the Maccabeats are straight voices (I don’t know if that changes anything). They don’t computerize it.

I would also add that a capella is no less musical/music than sounds created by things of wood, brass, and strings.

Thank you.

This year there is a kulah, that since Tisha B’av is a nidcha, it is mutar m’ikur hadin to listen to music right after the fast but our minhag is to wait til the next morning (before chatzos). This applies to meat & wine as well, but everything else is mutar already after the fast.

Is it time to be machmir on feeling loss of Batei Mikdash and show Hashem how much we miss it and need it. If we look for leniences in music or in aveilus in general we will not feel the loss as intensely and cannot cry or mourn or beg for what is missing with the same depth. Small things DO make a difference!

BTGuy: Almost everything in this topic is dependent upon Minhag because so many of these are new issues that never existed before, so it’s hard to have a set Halachah on it and many different people were Noheg many different ways. The point is to show our Aveilus on the Churban. Now, that doesn’t mean Assering everything we can think of and it doesn’t mean Mattering everything. It means you discuss with your Rav whatever would be best for you.

(I remember growing up not listening to any music at all during S’firah and the 3 weeks and I always thought it was an Issur Gamur. Then I remember being shocked when I saw the Nitei Gavriel, who is very far from a Meikil, bring down that the Minhag is to listen to slow songs, even with instruments. I had never even thought that such a Minhag could exist. But it was a great lesson for me in not assuming that what I had ever seen was the be-all end-all for Halachah.)

Some people have a heter to listen to music during sefira because it’s too hard for them to be without music for so long. In that case, it’s better to listen to acapella (that’s the psak I got).

Regarding the poster who compared it to someone in aveilus, l”a, I know a girl whose mother was nifter and it was really hard for her to be without music (I suspect she suffered from depression or something similar, which apparently is true of a very large portion of the population nowadays). Her Rav told her that she only had to refrain from listening to goyish music (which apparently she normally listened to).

Even without special heteirim, there are many opinions regarding what one is and is not allowed to listen to during sefira, so certainly no one should be judging anyone else (unless they are holding a public concert with live music, and then maybe you should just assume that they don’t know better).