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May 27, 2014 4:05 pm at 4:05 pm #612895AZOI.ISParticipant
I introduced two BTs about a year ago and the Shidduch was on and off, with effort involved. Fast forward to last week the couple got engaged. Both contacted me to say Thank You. This week someone who knows them asked me if I was at the engagement party. I thought perhaps the engagement party was out of town, because both are from out of town, and thats why neither invited me. It was not, it was in Manhattan.
I politely emailed both Chassan and Kallah and mentioned that in all my years of making Shidduchim I have never missed an engagement or a wedding where I was the Shadchan, that I could get to by car. I said I would have loved to share in their Simcha.
No response from either in the last two days. They have absolutely no reason to be upset with me, I never mentioned a word about a cent of Shadchanus or anything else that might have made them upset.
This is uniquely strange because generally very frum BTs are extra Temimusdik and dont want to hurt a fly.
How do I get to the bottom of this?
May 27, 2014 4:38 pm at 4:38 pm #1017164☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantDon’t.
Let it go.
May 27, 2014 4:40 pm at 4:40 pm #1017165popa_bar_abbaParticipantI already got to the bottom of it.
1. They had no idea that the etiquette would be to invite you. They probably actually didn’t invite anyone and just let it get around by word of mouth. Since you aren’t a particularly close friend, and are not part of their group of friends, you didn’t find out.
2. They’re embarrassed by your email, since they now think they did something wrong. And are not sure how to reply, hence the no reply.
3. Why did you email them? Ok, you missed the party. What do you want them to do or say?
May 27, 2014 4:57 pm at 4:57 pm #1017166AZOI.ISParticipantSheesh! Please folks, none of us are perfect, so please hold off on the negativity! Look in the mirror if youre in a Mussaring mood!
I will try to let it go… but after consulting a number of other Shadchanim, they all say its a unique situation. I just want to know if I did anything to upset them. I deserve that.
May 27, 2014 5:31 pm at 5:31 pm #1017167kedushaskohenMember“Both contacted me to say Thank You”
That is your hakaras hatov! why do you expect anything else? You are a professional, not a friend.
“I politely emailed both Chassan and Kallah and mentioned that in all my years of making Shidduchim I have never missed an engagement or a wedding where I was the Shadchan”
Sounds like you care more about yourself than their simcha. If you truly cared about their simcha you would let them do what they want during this special time and not make them feel awkward.
May 27, 2014 5:39 pm at 5:39 pm #1017168☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantI just want to know if I did anything to upset them.
No you don’t, because none of us could possibly answer that.
May 27, 2014 5:39 pm at 5:39 pm #1017169TheGoqParticipantOk should you have been invited? of course, but there was nothing to be gained by sending those emails it made them feel bad and you also, so going forward don’t have any expectations from these two, should they apologize? probably but I wouldn’t wait by the phone if I were you.
May 27, 2014 6:57 pm at 6:57 pm #1017170dial427436MemberWhy did you think that they were upset at you before your email?
May 27, 2014 7:16 pm at 7:16 pm #1017171left to writeMemberIMHO it was not necessary to point out that they were BT’s. Why the label?
May 27, 2014 7:57 pm at 7:57 pm #1017172besalelParticipantAZOI.IS has every right to feel dejected. It does not matter that the couple is BT or anything else, the decent thing to do would have been to invite (thats really the least one can do) and by not getting an invite the shadchan has every right to send the email. that being said, i dont know if there is any way to “get to the bottom of it.”
May 27, 2014 8:01 pm at 8:01 pm #1017173AZOI.ISParticipantHashem is good! I just became aware of another Shidduch materializing tonight iy”H!
Thank you Hashem!!!!!
May 27, 2014 8:12 pm at 8:12 pm #1017174apushatayidParticipanton the one hand you are asking random strangers what you may have done wrong, on the other hand when those same random strangers suggest what it is you may have done they are accused of negativity and mussaring.
May 27, 2014 8:24 pm at 8:24 pm #1017175☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantMazel Tov! I can’t wait to hear what this new couple does wrong. 😉
May 27, 2014 8:28 pm at 8:28 pm #1017176AZOI.ISParticipantapushatayid, you are asking random strangers what you may have done wrong, on the other hand when those same random strangers suggest what it is you may have done
Perhaps you have comprehension issues. I asked “How do I get to the bottom of this?”, translated simply as
How do I get THEM to tell me whats bothering them after a year of efforts on and off, leading to them finding their lifelong soulmates!
Anyhow, Hashem is good! I just became aware of another Shidduch materializing tonight iy”H!
Thank you Hashem!!!!!
May 27, 2014 9:16 pm at 9:16 pm #1017177apushatayidParticipant“I never mentioned a word about a cent of Shadchanus or anything else that might have made them upset.”
“This is uniquely strange because generally very frum BTs are extra Temimusdik and dont want to hurt a fly.”
“How do I get to the bottom of this?”
Tell me what I didnt comprehend O wise one.
May 27, 2014 9:22 pm at 9:22 pm #1017178AZOI.ISParticipantGood ending! This was a total misunderstanding. There was no “party”, Chassan just called to say some friends and family ate out.
Oh brother, am I relieved! I thought they were upset at me.
Sorry if I ruffled any feathers here.
May 27, 2014 9:50 pm at 9:50 pm #1017179dial427436MemberDemanding hakaras hatov seems a little odd. Who were you making the shidduch for you or them?
May 27, 2014 9:51 pm at 9:51 pm #1017181Avram in MDParticipantAZOI.IS,
Glad to know that the issue turned out to not be an issue at all!
Given that your OP provided enough specific detail for the couple to potentially identify themselves, but not enough detail for us random posters to really assess the situation, is it possible that you may have been using the CR to attempt to contact this couple to find out whether they were upset by something? If so, I would be careful doing that, because it could potentially cause hurt feelings. If this wasn’t your intention, perhaps it would be a good idea to minimize or even change the specific details (e.g., location of the party, timing of the engagement, religious history of the couple, length of the shidduch, etc.) to avoid the possibility of unintentionally getting “outed.”
May 28, 2014 10:00 am at 10:00 am #1017182sm29ParticipantGlad you found out the story 🙂
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