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Walking in front of one who is davening
Putting on tefillin incorrectly
Mispronouncing the name of Hashem
Repeating words in davening
Raising hands/ eyes to the ceiling by davening, making faces
Leaving a sponge in the sink over Shabbos
Speaking lashon hara
Not making a bracha on wine or other dessert during a bread meal
Not making a bracha achrona
Eating less than the required amount of bread/ matza by a Shabbos or Pesach seuda.
Not saying Amein when they are supposed to.
Saying Amein prematurely
Spacing out during davening
Davening with the eyes open, looking around
Not washing mayim achronim properly
Not making a bracha before eating
Not washing for bread in the right way
Not learning enough Torah on Shabbos & yom tov
Mixed swimming.
What happened to the OP?
Some are guilty of saying that some are guilty of Lashon Hara. (and some are guilty of saying that some are guilty of saying that some are guilty of saying…)
Spending too much time in the CR telling everybody else what they’re doing wrong.
Bittel Torah by spending time on the Internet.
& Things that people do right?????
Regarding the OP:
Walking in front of one who is davening
R’ Shlomo Zalman was famous for saying there are cases where this is Muttar (e.g. someone is blocing an aisle)
Raising hands/ eyes to the ceiling by davening, making faces
Raising hands or eyes isn’t wrong per se. It’s just pointless. But if it helps with Kavanah, there’s no reason not to do it.
Eating less than the required amount of bread/ matza by a Shabbos or Pesach seuda.
It is really hard to have less than the B’dieved Shiurim. According to many, even the Lechatchilah Shiurim are pretty tiny.
Davening with the eyes open, looking around
The Kabbalistic Seforim (some quoted in the MB) have very bad things to say about this, but some contemporary Seforim have Heterim/Limmudei Zechus (I think I saw a strong one B’sheim R’ Nissim Karelitz).
Not washing mayim achronim properly
It is a Machlokes Achronim on how to wash Mayim Achronim. It is nearly impossible to not do it properly according to some Shittos. (Of course, it’s impossible to do it improperly according to those who hold it’s not necessary at all.)
Not learning enough Torah on Shabbos & yom tov
What is different than any other day?
Also, this list seems weird. Some of them might be problems in many sections of the Frum world, but some of these just aren’t. Why didn’t you just list the whole Mishnah Berurah and be done with it?
To the op
Your title is misleading
It says things that people DO wrong however most of your things are what they don’t do (therefore they might not be doing it right, however they’re not doing it wrong)
🙂
Seems like a lot of the things on the list are not definitive mistakes. Making a separate bracha on a dessert is certainly not universal if I’m understanding you correctly. The custom to have dessert after bentchen in order to get in another blessing is considered an extraneous bracha by some opinion.
“Not washing for bread the right way.” This is an interesting one. There seems to be a large portion of the uninformed masses who have adopted (probably unknowingly) the Chabad custom to wash 3 times on each hand before bread. I still wouldn’t call this “not the right way,” but there are a lot of people unknowingly following a minhag that isn’t really their own. But, that’s a topic for a different thread.
For an addition to the list: People waiting after eating something pareve because it was prepared on meat equipment. Also, people refraining from eating pareve foods which were prepared on dairy equipment when they’re fleishig.
Shiluach haken putting back the eggs.
(we need a little controversy
Lets up the ante. shiluach hakan, eating the eggs.
It is not so pashut that you are not supposed to repeat words in davening. Most yeshivish people take it as a given that one should not repeat words but there are places where it might be allowed. Stretching out words and chanting “ayayay” might be just as bad as repeating in some cases.
There are people who have a minhag not to make brachos on dessert altogether. I heard that some people have a mesora that the Chofetz Chaim was chozer on his psak to say a bracha.
Others do say brachos on some desserts, depends what type of food it is. Ice cream is a shayla whether it needs a bracha so some people will make a shehakol on sugar or candy before eating ice cream.
Some will eat bread together with the dessert to remove any need for a bracha.
Mod 42- That’s true what you said about not repeating words. I’ve been to a community in which they do so, and I just avoided it (not that I knew any of their tunes anyway).
Anyone know how the Chofetz Chaim holds when it comes to eating fruit during a bread meal? I recently read in the kitzur shulchan aruch that one should make a before bracha on it since it’s not part of the meal.
Neville: I believe the MB says you do make a Bracha. I think that R’ Shlomo Zalman and many contemporary Poskim say that nowadays everything we eat during meals is considered Baim Machamas HaSeudah.
42 -“There are people who have a minhag not to make brachos on dessert altogether. I heard that some people have a mesora that the Chofetz Chaim was chozer on his psak to say a bracha.”
I used to do that, but no one I spoke to for the last umteen years does it. Do you have a Mekor?
“Others do say brachos on some desserts, depends what type of food it is. Ice cream is a shayla whether it needs a bracha so some people will make a shehakol on sugar or candy before eating ice cream.”
I know a few guys who make the Brocha on ice cream out loud & then they look at you, like a Goy,if you don’t make a Brocha!
“Some will eat bread together with the dessert to remove any need for a bracha.”
This is what I do now – to Stop the bad Looks!
saying good morning and good night on shabbos a Flatbush machla
saying good morning and good night on shabbos a Flatbush machla
What is wrong with that?
I often say “good night” to Eeees or the kids before going to bed on any day of the week (including Shabbos).
I say good morning/afternoon/evening to someone on Shabbos if I see that they are not Jewish (If they are, I say “good Shabbos.”)
Please provide a source (pun intended) that saying “good morning” or “good night” on Shabbos is forbidden.
The Wolf
Why is it wrong to eat eggs?
Pointing out things people do wrong in public (yes the CR is considered B’rabbim)
Wolf – It is not forbidden, but the proper greeting for a Jew to say to another Jew is “Gut Shabbos” [as opposed to “Good morning” or the like.] Source: Shla Hakodesh, R’ Akiva Eiger, R’ Hutner discusses this in Pachad Yitzchak on Shabbos
Fair enough… and that is the greeting I do give to Jews. But to non-Jews, it would be inappropriate, so I say “Good morning” (or afternoon or evening, as appropriate).
The Wolf
The Chabad hand washing is not the same as the Sephardi. Chabad does 3 on the dominant hand then 3 on the other, just like how standard Ashkenazim do with 2. Sephardim alternate from hand to hand like we do in the morning.
Technically without the presence of water you can wash your hands with dirt, so I think it would be pretty difficult to find a way that isn’t acceptable in the minimal halachah.
Also, with tefillin, as long as people aren’t putting them on their legs or something, they’re probably still fulfilling the mitzvah.
WM I am talking about at home girls between themselves its a SHANDA SHABBOS KODES
I have to daven with my eyes open, or I won’t be able to read my siddur!
Oh well, I guess the fact that I don’t rely on memory for reciting prayers means I’m not pious enough. 😛
WM I am talking about at home girls between themselves its a SHANDA SHABBOS KODES
One girl saying “Good morning” or “good night” to the other is a “SHANDA?”
Really?
Look at it this way. If your kids keep Shabbos perfectly and say “good night” to each other before going to sleep on Friday night, count your blessings that you have wonderful children.
The Wolf
(…and why the emphasis on girls? I don’t see how gender plays any part in this.)
By Pesach my rav told me explicitly that most frum people are not yotzi.
????? ????? Even a minimal shiur?
he Gra holds that mayim achronim has the same dinim as mayim rishonim (you need to wash with a kli, with a revi’is, full hand).
A matter of machlokes in shittas HaGra on the revi’is (even though it says it in Maaseh Rav)
I saw in a sefer that there was one gadol who said that a person should consider the possibility that maybe he never washed for bread correctly once in his life!
Source?
Do you greet them only on Shabbos, or on any day of the week?
When walking, usually only on Shabbos, as I take a more leisurely walk then. Other times, either I or the other people tend to be rushing here or there and the opportunity does not really exist. However, when it does, I do. For example, I always wish the bus driver a “good morning/evening” when I get on the bus.
The Wolf
Lo yihei deburcha beshabbos kidiburcha bechol
you do not have to like it that is the halacha shabbos is lo yom vlo layla its SHABBOS
Lo yihei deburcha beshabbos kidiburcha bechol
… and how far does that go? If I ask Eeees to pass me the salt during the week, can I no longer do so on Shabbos using those exact same words? Am I not allowed to tell her “I love you” because I do so during the week? Should I not call my kids to the table by name, since I do that during the week too?
you do not have to like it that is the halacha shabbos is lo yom vlo layla its SHABBOS
It’s not a halacha. It’s brought down in M”B that the Shelah says that he received a tradition this way. In other words, it’s nice and a good thing to do, but certainly not halacha to the point where one who does not do so is a machallel Shabbos.
If you can show me where it’s an actual halacha where it says it’s absolutely forbidden to do so, I’ll consider a retraction.
The Wolf
I wish people a happy purim.
Mik5: Re Tefillin below the hairline. I am aware of the Mishna Brura’s psak, however I also heard of a psak from a Rav in Pinsk (I can find out the name if you want) who held that rubo kekulo applies here and if most of the shel rosh is above the hairline he is yotze.
Mik5: Re Mayim achronim, I am familiar with the Gra’s shita. The mesora among Chasidim is that a small amount of water is sufficient.
The point is that before criticizing find out if there other shitos out there.
Say the ???? of ?? ????? ???? even when washing on a piece of bread that is only a ????.
Regarding ??????, I often see people wearing the ?? ?? in a way which is definitely not fulfilling the ????. Typically, this is because either the ??? is too low, or because the ????? is twisted (this can happen very easily – as the ????? is passed through the loop on the bicep – if you follow ???? ?????.)
Be ???? Talmidei Chachamim and Lomdei Torah.
stop judging people
Should I give you the speech about how being dan lkaf zchus actually means you should judge people?
thiss board seems pretty negative.
RebYidd23 (regarding wishing people Happy Purim): One Purim, my wife wished a freilichen Purim to a young woman who was wearing funny clothes. When she reacted with puzzlement, our kids pointed out that the young woman wasn’t Jewish. In our neighborhood, if you judge by what some people wear, every day is Purim.
WM a video retraction is the only way Honestly I do not know if Halacha gemura and you are mechalel Shabbos. The whole halacha of vedaber dovor is not like the other 39 Melochos its a halocho that shabbos we do not talk about money how much something costs or something assur to do on shabbos and so on. So if chacomim said that shabbos is a day unique how we greet each other is important. It is just very interesting that it was always said that in BP on the street nobody says gut shabbos but FB and other communities they do even to the opposite vechulu. But at home they forget about Shabbos good morning good night. SHabbos should be in our bones you should feel shabbos the learning the eating the talking the lounging sleeping should be on a lofty level shabbos is shabbos
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