Thickness of Blech

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    LanderAlum
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    No good Jewish stores around me to buy a marked up sheet of metal so want to go to Home Depot to get one. Just curious how thick should the metal sheet be? To be used to cover a gas range.

    #1065690
    Sam2
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    Pashtus is just aluminum foil is enough.

    #1065691
    LanderAlum
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    Pashtus is also that for grufa uktuma it would work, but am I incorrect in my understanding that the metzius is that thin foil will start coming apart at a certain point?

    #1065692
    popa_bar_abba
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    It shoudl be at least 6 inches thick.

    #1065693
    the plumber
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    Lander alum

    So then use 2 sheets of aluminum foil

    #1065694
    apushatayid
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    forget come apart. unless you place your pot directly on the burner, it will fall right through. I dont think there is an aluminum foil on the market strong enough to support an empty pot, let alone one full of food.

    #1065695
    farrockgrandma
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    Try a foil cookie sheet.

    #1065696

    Honestly- about 1mm.

    #1065697
    LanderAlum
    Member

    Thank you everyone for your input, and especially for Gamanit on being motzei laz on the rest of the posters by starting his post with “honestly,” implying everyone that doesn’t say “honestly” before they post is lying. πŸ˜‰

    #1065698

    I use an insulated aluminum cookie sheet. Much cheaper than anything you will find custom made.

    #1065699
    popa_bar_abba
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    I use a dead goat. Then we also eat the goat.

    #1065700
    squeak
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    70 denure

    #1065701
    HaLeiVi
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    But the goat is supposed to be in the oven, not on the stovetop.

    #1065702
    hakohen53
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    Mod 29: I like your idea, but what do you mean that the cookie sheet is insulated? Don’t think I ever heard of that before.

    #1065703

    It is a flat cookie sheet that is made of two layers with air between them. It distributes the heat more evenly and doesn’t turn black by the end of shabbos.

    #1065704
    oomis
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    I use a blech to cover all four burners, keeping only two opposite end ones on very low. UNDER the blech and directly over the burners, I keep flame tamers, which are perforated thick metal discs. They are meant to typically be used under any pot, to turn it into a double boiler. Thus my blech has its own blech under it. By the time a pot actually goes onto the blech, it is like a kli shlishi.I also cover the blech with tinfoil, so make that a kli revii.

    #1065705

    Oomis, that’s a very dangerous misuse of terminology. It’s still a kli rishon.

    #1065706
    theprof1
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    I love it when complete halacha am hoaretzim try to pasken the halacha.

    #1065707
    πŸ‘‘RebYidd23
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    Nobody did, prof1.

    #1065708
    oomis
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    Really,DY? I would very much appreciate an explanation of that. That is not what we were taught in Seminary. Perhaps I misunderstood the terminology. I thought the first thing on the fire is the kli rishon.

    #1065709

    Oomis, the pot is a kli rishon if it’s been on the fire (and still hot) no matter how many layers may be between the pot and the flame.

    When the contents of the pot are poured into another vessel, that vessel is considered a kli sheini.

    When the contents of the kli sheini are then poured into another container, that container is a kli shlishi.

    Example: you have water in a kettle, on a flame or blech (or two, or three…). It’s a kli rishon. If you pour water from the kettle into a mug, that mug is a kli sheini. If you pour water from the mug into a cup, the cup is a kli shlishi.

    #1065710
    cherrybim
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    Anyone here know the purpose of a blech? Is it really necessary? What happens if you don’t have one? Oomis, what is the reason for covering the knobs? What does kli sh’lishi have to do with a blech?

    #1065711

    A blech is a ????, required for ???? and some forms of ???-?. It is filling the role of ???? ????? mentioned in the ???? (specifically, ????).

    It is sometimes required, sometimes a ??????, and almost always a good idea.

    Covering the knobs is a further ???? not to raise the fire.

    ??? ????? is not affected by a blech.

    #1065712
    golfer
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    Just to clarify oomis, the kli rishon is the actual pot holding the food over the fire, such as the cholent pot containing the cholent. A blech, a flat piece of metal between the pot and the flame, is not a kli. The kli by definition contains food.

    #1065713
    oomis
    Participant

    Thank you, DY for the detailed answer!

    “Anyone here know the purpose of a blech? Is it really necessary? What happens if you don’t have one? Oomis, what is the reason for covering the knobs? What does kli sh’lishi have to do with a blech?”

    CB, I always thought the blech was to be a lessening of the heat between the burner and the pot (and to make the pot into a klish sheini, which DY pointed out to me, I have misunderstood). The covering of the knobs, which not every blech does, is specifically to make people aware that it is there and prevent people from accidentally turning the fire up or down. Not a bad idea. I put covers on my light switches for the same reason.

    #1065714
    writersoul
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    R Moshe holds that part of grufa uktuma is covering knobs…

    #1065715
    Sam2
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    DY: Really? You put a dash in Shehiya? That’s just… wow.

    #1065716
    feivel
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    Someone who seeks Kedusha and who’s Yiddishkeit has a Neshama sometimes will act in ways not strictly mandated by Halacha, or perhaps even by common custom. It’s a hergish. Probably DY doesn’t wear blue jeans either.

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