The real pshat in universal kollel

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  • March 22, 2013 7:08 pm at 7:08 pm #608735
    popa_bar_abba
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    I figured out the real pshat, because I am the popa.

    The kasha is why the chareidi norm in Israel is univeral kollel when that was not the norm in Europe.

    See, the tzionim like to think that modern day Israel is the ???? ?????. And we all know that in ???? ?????, we will all be ????? ??? ??? ???? ???? ?????. (I can’t find a real source for this, but cheder pshat is that means we’ll all sit and learn Torah under our trees.)

    So you see, we are the real zionists and you are the fakers.

    Eat it.

    March 22, 2013 7:14 pm at 7:14 pm #939689
    playtime
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    You may have caught the Alaska Fever.

    March 22, 2013 7:14 pm at 7:14 pm #939690
    Torah613Torah
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    The Rambam says ???? ?????? ????, except that there will be shalom bein Yisrael l’amim (because the animals will all be vegetarian i.e. ????? ????? ????? ??? ???? = ????’?? ????? ???? ????? ??????

    So it’s an asmachta to in Navi when they were at peace with the neighbors they called it ??? ??? ????.)

    Edit: I think I mean a gezeira shava.

    March 22, 2013 7:14 pm at 7:14 pm #939691
    rebdoniel
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    If anyone would be willing to pay me $100 a day for sitting and learning, I’d do it.

    March 22, 2013 7:16 pm at 7:16 pm #939692
    besalel
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    look at comment #8 in this article.

    http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/article.php?p=155509

    you figured out pshat?

    March 22, 2013 7:25 pm at 7:25 pm #939693
    playtime
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    The only flaw is, poppa, that the Chareidim hold we are in ????? ??????, as opposed to ????? ??????

    March 22, 2013 7:26 pm at 7:26 pm #939694
    popa_bar_abba
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    besalel: Beautiful.

    March 22, 2013 7:31 pm at 7:31 pm #939695
    popa_bar_abba
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    Anyway, I may as well write here while I have your attention what the real real pshat is.

    While the norm in pre-war Europe was that only select few learned long term, the norm in Eretz Yisroel (the old yishuv) was that everybody learned forever. The chareidim who came to Palestine after the war joined the existing community and naturally adopted its norms. This was exacerbated by the deal which only allowed them to avoid the treife army if they would learn.

    Contrast to American chareidim, where the system is pretty much like it was in Europe. Among the chassidim, only a select few learn long term; among the litvaks, whoever can afford to and wants to learns long term and others learn shorter terms for as long as they want and then join their father in law’s business or join a profession.

    March 22, 2013 7:38 pm at 7:38 pm #939696
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Popa, I agree, and it should be pointed out that since we live in a more affluent situation than pre-war Europe, there are more people able to learn for longer periods of time, b”H.

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