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  • #2045503
    theshadchansays
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    okaaaay, I’m a foodie and I’m VERY particular. I love steak and sushi (duh) but I think the best food is Farina. seriously, if you’ve never tried it, go buy some now.

    Ps. it’s NOT baby food

    #2045529
    ujm
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    A Yid shouldn’t be a foodie.

    That said, agreed, farina is delicious.

    I’ll pass on sushi.

    #2045542
    rightwriter
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    Farina isn’t that great.

    #2045535
    yungermanS
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    Cholent mixed with Kishka is more delicious.

    Try it out

    #2045539
    theshadchansays
    Participant

    ummm… why can’t a yid be a foodie? actually, i see a lot of emphasis on food in yiddishkiet

    #2045545
    ujm
    Participant

    Cheese blintzes and cheese latkes probably came directly from Har Sinai, considering how good they are (if done right).

    #2045546
    theshadchansays
    Participant

    yeah, but that’s a classic. there’s nothing like a hot farina on a cold day….ahhhh…

    #2045606
    commonsaychel
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    @UJM they had yiddisher foodies for years, they were allways called Fressers. LOL
    Koko-osh cake rocks! the experts gave the opinions, UJM says its best with cold mik, Avrira said the brisker eat at least 8 ozs. Reb E likes it hot out of the oven.

    #2045630
    ujm
    Participant

    CS: we can follow all shittos by having an 8 oz piece of kokosh hot out of the oven with a cup of cold milk

    #2045631
    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    “A Yid shouldnโ€™t be a foodie…”
    Azoy, ….too much time spent dissing bnos yisroel and not enough time checking out the early versions of the Michelin ratings in Eretz Cannan. When Yitzchak avinu (aka the Founding Foodie) wanted a simple roast goat with a good cabernet) and Yaakov learned of his desire, he immediately worked with Executive Chef Rivkah Imanu and provided his father with a four-star repast, (although the reviewer noted a few goat hairs on the plate that might have fallen off the server’s uniform).
    Throughout our history and mesorah, FOOD has been part of the centrality of yiddeshkeit.
    B’taavon!!

    #2045665
    theshadchansays
    Participant

    @ujm yummmm… defenitly coffee

    #2045678
    theshadchansays
    Participant

    GD: totally maskim! how do you make Yiddishkiet exciting without the taam ochel for little children? They don’t understand what it means to gets the Torah on Shuvuos. they understand CHEESECAKE. same for the other yamimtovim. As they get older, they realize that it’s the sugary coating to Yiddishkiet and the deeper message will soon follow.
    BTW, I’m speaking from that child perspective, so take it from me๐Ÿ˜

    #2045703
    AviraDeArah
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    To ujm’s point; one who cultivates a love of the pleasures of olam hazeh not for Hashem(as in, not for shabbos, y”t, simchas) violates lo sasuru, and an issur asei of veahavta es Hashem, because he’s loving something else… The sefer hachinuch writes this and ends off “veonsho gadol”

    #2045710
    dontagree
    Participant

    Farina-agreed

    #2045744
    theshadchansays
    Participant

    i don’t think we’re going so far as saying that we harbor a deep, unconditional, emotional, love for food. just like if i have to sustain myself with this thing it might as well be delicious ๐Ÿ˜‹

    #2045752
    ujm
    Participant

    Avira, Yasher Koach. Sometimes I can relate the Emes but can’t explain the details as well as you.

    #2045778
    yaakov doe
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    Cholunt wiith kishka along with a single malt Scotch is a true mechayah

    #2045779
    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    Its really a strech to claim that if one kvels about the food that the Ebeshter has provided to us and for which we thank him each time we take a bite, he is elevating his love of farina, kishka or mapu tofu over his love of hashem and violates the issur of lo sasuru, and the mitzvas asei of veahavta es Hashem….
    Ahavas tofu and ahavas hashem are NOT mutually exclusive!!

    #2045834
    AviraDeArah
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    Gadolha, check out the lashon of the chinuch (brought in the mishnah berurah lehalacha) ื•ื‘ื›ืœืœ ื–ื” ืฉืœื ืœืจื“ื•ืฃ ืื—ืจ ืชืื•ื•ืช ื”ืขื•ืœื ื”ื–ื” ื›ื™ ืื—ืจื™ืชื ืจืขื” ื•ื›ื“ื™ ื‘ื–ื™ื•ืŸ ื•ืงืฆืฃ mitzvah 387.

    Biur halacha, siman 1, on the 6 mitzvos temidios –
    ื•ื”ืงื•ื‘ืข ืืช ืžื—ืฉื‘ืชื• ื‘ืขื ื™ื™ื ื™ื ื”ื’ืฉืžื™ื™ื ื•ื‘ื”ื‘ืœื™ ื”ืขื•ืœื ืฉืœื ืœืฉ”ืฉ ืจืง ืœื”ืชืขื ื’ ื•ืœื”ืฉื™ื’ ื›ื‘ื•ื“ ื‘ื™ื˜ืœ ืขืฉื” ื–ื• ื•ืขื•ื ืฉื• ื’ื“ื•ืœ

    Neither source seems to indicate that the issur is only when one loves the other thing more than Hashem.

    The chinuchs second piece in the same mitzvah – , ื›ืœื•ืžืจ ืฉื”ื•ื ืจื•ื“ืฃ ืื—ืจ ืชืื•ื•ืช ื”ืขื•ืœื ื›ื’ื•ืŸ ืฉื”ื•ื ืžืฉื™ื ืœื‘ื• ืชืžื™ื“ ืœื”ืจื‘ื•ืช ืชืขื ื•ื’ื™ื ื’ื“ื•ืœื™ื ืœื ืคืฉื• ืžื‘ืœื™ ืฉื™ื›ื•ืŸ ื‘ื”ืŸ ื›ืœืœ ืœื›ื•ื•ื ื” ื˜ื•ื‘ื”, ื›ืœื•ืžืจ ืฉืœื ื™ืขืฉื” ื›ื“ื™ ืฉื™ืขืžื•ื“ ื‘ืจื™ื ื•ื™ื•ื›ืœ ืœื”ืฉืชื“ืœ ื‘ืขื‘ื•ื“ืช ื‘ื•ืจืื•, ืจืง ืœื”ืฉืœื™ื ื ืคืฉื• ื‘ืชืขื ื•ื’ื™ื, ื›ืœ ืžื™ ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ื•ืœืš ื‘ื“ืจืš ื–ื” ืขื•ื‘ืจ ืขืœ ืœืื• ื–ื” ืชืžื™ื“ ื‘ื›ืœ ืขืช ืขืกืงื• ื‘ืžื” ืฉืืžืจื ื•.

    This seems to say that the issur is when one is ืชืžื™ื“, which is relative – an argument can be made to say he means like you, but I’m not convinced of it. Tamid sometimes means once a day; here it can mean the same thing – the main thing is the kavanah; if someone natural enjoys food; gezunterheit, just don’t make a huge deal over it and make big plans as to how to enjoy the most that you can.

    #2045844
    Gadolhadorah
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    AD….very interesting and compelling argument. I would suspect the same inyan would apply to any “secular” (with a lower-case “s”) activity/hobby engaged in by a yid which moves beyond the level of a diversion for physical/mental health needs and becomes a quasi-obsession.

    #2045846
    Ex-CTLawyer
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    @yungermanS
    Farina is the major ingredient in kishke

    #2045868
    theshadchansays
    Participant

    ummm… is that a joke?

    #2045883
    AviraDeArah
    Participant

    Gadolha, definitely – the tanya makes note of that in perek 5 (i think), where he differentiates between secular pursuits that are leshem shomayim (which include what you mention as distraction/mental health) and those which are not

    #2045901
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    The Ben Ish Chai says that we say Shabbos Shalom because we are uniting the mitzva of eating for shabbos and one’s desire of food by eating lashem Shomayim.
    We call the sacrifice shelamim making peace between Hashem and us by eating lashem Shomayim, see SA O’CH 231.

    #2045906

    On one hand, we have so many brochos on food, and one for Torah, and also several for natural events. Seems like Hashem gave us a variety of products to enjoy them.

    On the other hand, they say that as Aron did not take space in B’M (20-10*2=0), so shoudl T’Ch not take much space. Taken literally, a T’Ch who eats a lot will take too much space.

    #2045916
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    A nazir is a sinner because he doesn’t want to enjoy what Hashem provided to us.

    #2045930
    theshadchansays
    Participant

    Maskim. Hashem gave us so much variety of food, you’d be blind to miss it. now for my suggestions:

    chulent (especially Thursday night)
    deep-fried schnitzel
    caramel donuts
    churros!!!!
    farina
    steak/lamp/shawarma
    ENJOY!!!

    #2045944
    commonsaychel
    Participant

    My Grandfather ZL. would always get disgusted when a American balbatisher person woould talk about food, he would say in der alter heim who would talk about food, the shleppers and the schnorrers who never had food and when they had meat the only thing that remained was the memory.
    I found as a rule the people busy talking about food are very shallow people with no real interests in life.

    #2045968
    Kuvult
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    You haven’t lived til you’ve had my Mother’s Southern Ribs on Yom Tov.

    #2045989
    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    “I found as a rule the people busy talking about food are very shallow people with no real interests in life……”
    Actually, quite the opposite. I have a good friend who is a researcher at Sloan Kettering in NYC (who was at one time considered for a nobel prize for his work in molecular biology) is also an outstanding chef and is fascinated by the food chemistry of cooking. In between, he also finds time for a daf yomi going on 6 or 7 years now. I don’t consider him, nor many of our other frum friends who enjoy (and talk about) good food and many other subjects to be “shallow”. Nor are they obsessive to the point of searching for the perfect woodland mushroom or artisinal salt.

    #2046056
    Reb Eliezer
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    The Ramban on Kedoshim Tihye says to sanctify ourselves with the permitted, to enjoy things with a measure not be nivul birshus hatorah, a villain on the umbrella of the Torah.

    #2046071
    theshadchansays
    Participant

    OHMYGOSH! you are at it again!! you are allowed to talk about food!! you’re even allowed to ENJOY food. if someone thinks that talking about food is shallow, then go join a topic convo and discus a man’s (won’t say a name, of course!!) mistakes, death, and whether or not you could have a male therapist. i mean, this is the most kosher (no pun intended) conversation you can have!!!

    #2046098
    AviraDeArah
    Participant

    Common; this is one of the rare times that we are on exactly the same page – very good post!

    #2046116

    Nothing wrong enjoying the food, just check whether it affects your decision making:
    if you are choosing between staying home or going to a dvar Torah, you hesitate and a kiddush after that makes you go – that is fine at some level. But if one shul has a better dvar Torah and another – better food, and you choose food, maybe this is not fine. If you go get “free” food because you are hungry – fine. If you get it because it is tastier than what you wish to spend – then, less so. There are though several agadot about poor people who demanded “stuffed bird” (a delicatessen of Gemora times) and being offered beans instead .. Conclusions seem to be inconclusive, but generally supportive of the demand – one guy choked and died without favoring food, in another case, Rav’s sister suddenly comes in from faraway and brings the stuffed chicken.

    #2046126
    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    AAQ: Absolutely fascinating story….who would have thunk they had Turdukin in “Gemorah Times” and some fool tried to pass off beans for the bird. Such a shandah.

    #2046174

    Gadol, chicken used to be way more expensive. Maybe it is cheap now due to industrial methods raising them. So, when we say that men need “basar” for yom tov, we are saying that they should be OK with just meat, without the chicken. Rav, who offered beans, meant – I can give you what I eat myself. An interesting nekudah is the sister that appeared with the chicken: she was travelling for days, so Hashem gave her an idea to prepare the chicken for the poor man who will come to Rav several days later, anticipating his response.

    #2051983
    Kokoshcake
    Participant

    POUTINE!!! Too bad itโ€™s only a Canadian food.

    And agreed, a Yid should not have any other label besides for an EVED HASHEM

    #2052036
    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    Poutine is perhaps the best reason to stay south of the 45th parallel ….if you yearn for burnt french fries covered with a greyish-orange gravy and topped with cholov yisroel cheese curds that taste like the small pink colored rubber erasers you used in elementary school than I guess you’ll have to find a chavrusah in Kiryas Tosh.

    #2052164
    moishekapoieh
    Participant

    chocolate mousse – case closed

    #2052174
    commonsaychel
    Participant

    @kokoshcake, Poutine does not even come close to your namesake

    #2052241
    charliehall
    Participant

    Tell your wife that she shouldn’t be wasting her time cooking delicious food because it is asur to love food and see how she reacts.

    #2053793
    user176
    Participant

    Of coarse every action we do must be leshem shamayim. That being said, a person who speaks about a material pleasure should not have to put out a disclaimer every time, โ€œI am a foodie (but only leshem shamayim).โ€ Im a big fan of mussar, but sometimes itโ€™s a bit too much.

    #2053858
    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    “I’m a big fan of mussar, but sometimes itโ€™s a bit too much…”

    Agreed. I always felt guilty running off to the Kiddush Club on shabbos ื‘ึฐึผื—ึปืงึนึผืชึทื™ while the baal koreh was reading the Tocheichah (which I generally couldn’t hear anyway). I’ve also given up on my original aspirations to become the official baal musar for members of the Club.

    #2054627
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    tongue

    #2055469
    KGN
    Participant

    Sushi is good but not as filling as other fish choices because it’s mostly rice (carbs).

    #2055486
    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    KGN: Have you ever heard of “sashimi”….sort of like a cheeseburger where you’ve asked them to hold the cheese, bun, special sauce, tomato and onion.
    If you want to stay with the maki style sushiroll, ask your local Itame to prepare a Ungarishe Roll with really fresh pike or carp rolled in Nori (dried seaweed) and topped with a simple sugar syrup. B’taavon!!

    #2056795
    theshadchansays
    Participant

    Okay, i want to reinsinuate that farina is the best. like non-negotiable.
    for those that haven’t had the privilege of tasting it, here is the recipe:
    milk
    farina
    sugar
    vanilla sugar
    butter
    Cinnamin (optional)
    figure out the measurements yourself but creamy and thick is better

    #2056819

    I donโ€™t understand how this topic is still active. How are you guys so enthusiastic about food?!

    #2056834

    what’s it to you??

    #2056837

    hey shadchansays! how you feeling these days?

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