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December 28, 2021 1:15 am at 1:15 am #2045503theshadchansaysParticipant
okaaaay, I’m a foodie and I’m VERY particular. I love steak and sushi (duh) but I think the best food is Farina. seriously, if you’ve never tried it, go buy some now.
Ps. it’s NOT baby food
December 28, 2021 1:29 am at 1:29 am #2045529ujmParticipantA Yid shouldn’t be a foodie.
That said, agreed, farina is delicious.
I’ll pass on sushi.
December 28, 2021 2:14 am at 2:14 am #2045542rightwriterParticipantFarina isn’t that great.
December 28, 2021 2:14 am at 2:14 am #2045535yungermanSParticipantCholent mixed with Kishka is more delicious.
Try it out
December 28, 2021 5:50 am at 5:50 am #2045539theshadchansaysParticipantummm… why can’t a yid be a foodie? actually, i see a lot of emphasis on food in yiddishkiet
December 28, 2021 5:51 am at 5:51 am #2045545ujmParticipantCheese blintzes and cheese latkes probably came directly from Har Sinai, considering how good they are (if done right).
December 28, 2021 5:51 am at 5:51 am #2045546theshadchansaysParticipantyeah, but that’s a classic. there’s nothing like a hot farina on a cold day….ahhhh…
December 28, 2021 8:03 am at 8:03 am #2045606commonsaychelParticipant@UJM they had yiddisher foodies for years, they were allways called Fressers. LOL
Koko-osh cake rocks! the experts gave the opinions, UJM says its best with cold mik, Avrira said the brisker eat at least 8 ozs. Reb E likes it hot out of the oven.December 28, 2021 11:36 am at 11:36 am #2045630ujmParticipantCS: we can follow all shittos by having an 8 oz piece of kokosh hot out of the oven with a cup of cold milk
December 28, 2021 11:36 am at 11:36 am #2045631GadolhadorahParticipant“A Yid shouldnโt be a foodie…”
Azoy, ….too much time spent dissing bnos yisroel and not enough time checking out the early versions of the Michelin ratings in Eretz Cannan. When Yitzchak avinu (aka the Founding Foodie) wanted a simple roast goat with a good cabernet) and Yaakov learned of his desire, he immediately worked with Executive Chef Rivkah Imanu and provided his father with a four-star repast, (although the reviewer noted a few goat hairs on the plate that might have fallen off the server’s uniform).
Throughout our history and mesorah, FOOD has been part of the centrality of yiddeshkeit.
B’taavon!!December 28, 2021 11:57 am at 11:57 am #2045665theshadchansaysParticipant@ujm yummmm… defenitly coffee
December 28, 2021 12:01 pm at 12:01 pm #2045678theshadchansaysParticipantGD: totally maskim! how do you make Yiddishkiet exciting without the taam ochel for little children? They don’t understand what it means to gets the Torah on Shuvuos. they understand CHEESECAKE. same for the other yamimtovim. As they get older, they realize that it’s the sugary coating to Yiddishkiet and the deeper message will soon follow.
BTW, I’m speaking from that child perspective, so take it from me๐December 28, 2021 1:31 pm at 1:31 pm #2045703AviraDeArahParticipantTo ujm’s point; one who cultivates a love of the pleasures of olam hazeh not for Hashem(as in, not for shabbos, y”t, simchas) violates lo sasuru, and an issur asei of veahavta es Hashem, because he’s loving something else… The sefer hachinuch writes this and ends off “veonsho gadol”
December 28, 2021 1:35 pm at 1:35 pm #2045710dontagreeParticipantFarina-agreed
December 28, 2021 2:28 pm at 2:28 pm #2045744theshadchansaysParticipanti don’t think we’re going so far as saying that we harbor a deep, unconditional, emotional, love for food. just like if i have to sustain myself with this thing it might as well be delicious ๐
December 28, 2021 2:31 pm at 2:31 pm #2045752ujmParticipantAvira, Yasher Koach. Sometimes I can relate the Emes but can’t explain the details as well as you.
December 28, 2021 6:30 pm at 6:30 pm #2045778yaakov doeParticipantCholunt wiith kishka along with a single malt Scotch is a true mechayah
December 28, 2021 6:32 pm at 6:32 pm #2045779GadolhadorahParticipantIts really a strech to claim that if one kvels about the food that the Ebeshter has provided to us and for which we thank him each time we take a bite, he is elevating his love of farina, kishka or mapu tofu over his love of hashem and violates the issur of lo sasuru, and the mitzvas asei of veahavta es Hashem….
Ahavas tofu and ahavas hashem are NOT mutually exclusive!!December 28, 2021 8:32 pm at 8:32 pm #2045834AviraDeArahParticipantGadolha, check out the lashon of the chinuch (brought in the mishnah berurah lehalacha) ืืืืื ืื ืฉืื ืืจืืืฃ ืืืจ ืชืืืืช ืืขืืื ืืื ืื ืืืจืืชื ืจืขื ืืืื ืืืืื ืืงืฆืฃ mitzvah 387.
Biur halacha, siman 1, on the 6 mitzvos temidios –
ืืืงืืืข ืืช ืืืฉืืชื ืืขื ืืื ืื ืืืฉืืืื ืืืืืื ืืขืืื ืฉืื ืืฉ”ืฉ ืจืง ืืืชืขื ื ืืืืฉืื ืืืื ืืืื ืขืฉื ืื ืืขืื ืฉื ืืืืNeither source seems to indicate that the issur is only when one loves the other thing more than Hashem.
The chinuchs second piece in the same mitzvah – , ืืืืืจ ืฉืืื ืจืืืฃ ืืืจ ืชืืืืช ืืขืืื ืืืื ืฉืืื ืืฉืื ืืื ืชืืื ืืืจืืืช ืชืขื ืืืื ืืืืืื ืื ืคืฉื ืืืื ืฉืืืื ืืื ืืื ืืืืื ื ืืืื, ืืืืืจ ืฉืื ืืขืฉื ืืื ืฉืืขืืื ืืจืื ืืืืื ืืืฉืชืื ืืขืืืืช ืืืจืื, ืจืง ืืืฉืืื ื ืคืฉื ืืชืขื ืืืื, ืื ืื ืฉืืื ืืืื ืืืจื ืื ืขืืืจ ืขื ืืื ืื ืชืืื ืืื ืขืช ืขืกืงื ืืื ืฉืืืจื ื.
This seems to say that the issur is when one is ืชืืื, which is relative – an argument can be made to say he means like you, but I’m not convinced of it. Tamid sometimes means once a day; here it can mean the same thing – the main thing is the kavanah; if someone natural enjoys food; gezunterheit, just don’t make a huge deal over it and make big plans as to how to enjoy the most that you can.
December 28, 2021 9:11 pm at 9:11 pm #2045844GadolhadorahParticipantAD….very interesting and compelling argument. I would suspect the same inyan would apply to any “secular” (with a lower-case “s”) activity/hobby engaged in by a yid which moves beyond the level of a diversion for physical/mental health needs and becomes a quasi-obsession.
December 28, 2021 9:21 pm at 9:21 pm #2045846Ex-CTLawyerParticipant@yungermanS
Farina is the major ingredient in kishkeDecember 28, 2021 10:29 pm at 10:29 pm #2045868theshadchansaysParticipantummm… is that a joke?
December 28, 2021 11:05 pm at 11:05 pm #2045883AviraDeArahParticipantGadolha, definitely – the tanya makes note of that in perek 5 (i think), where he differentiates between secular pursuits that are leshem shomayim (which include what you mention as distraction/mental health) and those which are not
December 28, 2021 11:31 pm at 11:31 pm #2045901Reb EliezerParticipantThe Ben Ish Chai says that we say Shabbos Shalom because we are uniting the mitzva of eating for shabbos and one’s desire of food by eating lashem Shomayim.
We call the sacrifice shelamim making peace between Hashem and us by eating lashem Shomayim, see SA O’CH 231.December 28, 2021 11:48 pm at 11:48 pm #2045906Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantOn one hand, we have so many brochos on food, and one for Torah, and also several for natural events. Seems like Hashem gave us a variety of products to enjoy them.
On the other hand, they say that as Aron did not take space in B’M (20-10*2=0), so shoudl T’Ch not take much space. Taken literally, a T’Ch who eats a lot will take too much space.
December 29, 2021 12:24 am at 12:24 am #2045916Reb EliezerParticipantA nazir is a sinner because he doesn’t want to enjoy what Hashem provided to us.
December 29, 2021 1:01 am at 1:01 am #2045930theshadchansaysParticipantMaskim. Hashem gave us so much variety of food, you’d be blind to miss it. now for my suggestions:
chulent (especially Thursday night)
deep-fried schnitzel
caramel donuts
churros!!!!
farina
steak/lamp/shawarma
ENJOY!!!December 29, 2021 4:59 am at 4:59 am #2045944commonsaychelParticipantMy Grandfather ZL. would always get disgusted when a American balbatisher person woould talk about food, he would say in der alter heim who would talk about food, the shleppers and the schnorrers who never had food and when they had meat the only thing that remained was the memory.
I found as a rule the people busy talking about food are very shallow people with no real interests in life.December 29, 2021 8:56 am at 8:56 am #2045968KuvultParticipantYou haven’t lived til you’ve had my Mother’s Southern Ribs on Yom Tov.
December 29, 2021 8:58 am at 8:58 am #2045989GadolhadorahParticipant“I found as a rule the people busy talking about food are very shallow people with no real interests in life……”
Actually, quite the opposite. I have a good friend who is a researcher at Sloan Kettering in NYC (who was at one time considered for a nobel prize for his work in molecular biology) is also an outstanding chef and is fascinated by the food chemistry of cooking. In between, he also finds time for a daf yomi going on 6 or 7 years now. I don’t consider him, nor many of our other frum friends who enjoy (and talk about) good food and many other subjects to be “shallow”. Nor are they obsessive to the point of searching for the perfect woodland mushroom or artisinal salt.December 29, 2021 11:57 am at 11:57 am #2046056Reb EliezerParticipantThe Ramban on Kedoshim Tihye says to sanctify ourselves with the permitted, to enjoy things with a measure not be nivul birshus hatorah, a villain on the umbrella of the Torah.
December 29, 2021 12:33 pm at 12:33 pm #2046071theshadchansaysParticipantOHMYGOSH! you are at it again!! you are allowed to talk about food!! you’re even allowed to ENJOY food. if someone thinks that talking about food is shallow, then go join a topic convo and discus a man’s (won’t say a name, of course!!) mistakes, death, and whether or not you could have a male therapist. i mean, this is the most kosher (no pun intended) conversation you can have!!!
December 29, 2021 1:24 pm at 1:24 pm #2046098AviraDeArahParticipantCommon; this is one of the rare times that we are on exactly the same page – very good post!
December 29, 2021 2:24 pm at 2:24 pm #2046116Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantNothing wrong enjoying the food, just check whether it affects your decision making:
if you are choosing between staying home or going to a dvar Torah, you hesitate and a kiddush after that makes you go – that is fine at some level. But if one shul has a better dvar Torah and another – better food, and you choose food, maybe this is not fine. If you go get “free” food because you are hungry – fine. If you get it because it is tastier than what you wish to spend – then, less so. There are though several agadot about poor people who demanded “stuffed bird” (a delicatessen of Gemora times) and being offered beans instead .. Conclusions seem to be inconclusive, but generally supportive of the demand – one guy choked and died without favoring food, in another case, Rav’s sister suddenly comes in from faraway and brings the stuffed chicken.December 29, 2021 2:37 pm at 2:37 pm #2046126GadolhadorahParticipantAAQ: Absolutely fascinating story….who would have thunk they had Turdukin in “Gemorah Times” and some fool tried to pass off beans for the bird. Such a shandah.
December 29, 2021 3:56 pm at 3:56 pm #2046174Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantGadol, chicken used to be way more expensive. Maybe it is cheap now due to industrial methods raising them. So, when we say that men need “basar” for yom tov, we are saying that they should be OK with just meat, without the chicken. Rav, who offered beans, meant – I can give you what I eat myself. An interesting nekudah is the sister that appeared with the chicken: she was travelling for days, so Hashem gave her an idea to prepare the chicken for the poor man who will come to Rav several days later, anticipating his response.
January 17, 2022 7:45 pm at 7:45 pm #2051983KokoshcakeParticipantPOUTINE!!! Too bad itโs only a Canadian food.
And agreed, a Yid should not have any other label besides for an EVED HASHEM
January 18, 2022 12:17 am at 12:17 am #2052036GadolhadorahParticipantPoutine is perhaps the best reason to stay south of the 45th parallel ….if you yearn for burnt french fries covered with a greyish-orange gravy and topped with cholov yisroel cheese curds that taste like the small pink colored rubber erasers you used in elementary school than I guess you’ll have to find a chavrusah in Kiryas Tosh.
January 18, 2022 2:10 pm at 2:10 pm #2052164moishekapoiehParticipantchocolate mousse – case closed
January 18, 2022 2:12 pm at 2:12 pm #2052174commonsaychelParticipant@kokoshcake, Poutine does not even come close to your namesake
January 18, 2022 2:20 pm at 2:20 pm #2052241charliehallParticipantTell your wife that she shouldn’t be wasting her time cooking delicious food because it is asur to love food and see how she reacts.
January 23, 2022 3:40 pm at 3:40 pm #2053793user176ParticipantOf coarse every action we do must be leshem shamayim. That being said, a person who speaks about a material pleasure should not have to put out a disclaimer every time, โI am a foodie (but only leshem shamayim).โ Im a big fan of mussar, but sometimes itโs a bit too much.
January 23, 2022 7:49 pm at 7:49 pm #2053858GadolhadorahParticipant“I’m a big fan of mussar, but sometimes itโs a bit too much…”
Agreed. I always felt guilty running off to the Kiddush Club on shabbos ืึฐึผืึปืงึนึผืชึทื while the baal koreh was reading the Tocheichah (which I generally couldn’t hear anyway). I’ve also given up on my original aspirations to become the official baal musar for members of the Club.
January 25, 2022 6:42 pm at 6:42 pm #2054627Reb EliezerParticipanttongue
January 27, 2022 12:27 pm at 12:27 pm #2055469KGNParticipantSushi is good but not as filling as other fish choices because it’s mostly rice (carbs).
January 27, 2022 1:11 pm at 1:11 pm #2055486GadolhadorahParticipantKGN: Have you ever heard of “sashimi”….sort of like a cheeseburger where you’ve asked them to hold the cheese, bun, special sauce, tomato and onion.
If you want to stay with the maki style sushiroll, ask your local Itame to prepare a Ungarishe Roll with really fresh pike or carp rolled in Nori (dried seaweed) and topped with a simple sugar syrup. B’taavon!!February 1, 2022 5:50 pm at 5:50 pm #2056795theshadchansaysParticipantOkay, i want to reinsinuate that farina is the best. like non-negotiable.
for those that haven’t had the privilege of tasting it, here is the recipe:
milk
farina
sugar
vanilla sugar
butter
Cinnamin (optional)
figure out the measurements yourself but creamy and thick is betterFebruary 1, 2022 6:55 pm at 6:55 pm #2056819bored_teen ๐ParticipantI donโt understand how this topic is still active. How are you guys so enthusiastic about food?!
February 1, 2022 6:58 pm at 6:58 pm #2056834๐ซSyag LchochmaParticipantwhat’s it to you??
February 1, 2022 6:58 pm at 6:58 pm #2056837๐ซSyag LchochmaParticipanthey shadchansays! how you feeling these days?
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